Restaurant Banning Loud Children

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SumoNinja said:
well, don't misunderstand. I don't let my kids get out of hand. the volume has to be within reason. I would not let them get loud enough to where it would bother me if I was someone else.

but I won't stop them from enjoying themselves. they can do their thing, just keep it respectful. there are often loud adults that dine also. it doesn't bother me in the same way if it were kids.

so I meant that if they are keeping it within a reasonable threshold, and it still bothered someone, that is where I couldn't care less. it's a public place where everyone has the right to go and enjoy themselves. i'm not gonna miss out because some people are whiners and expect the public to keep it down for them

and about the tipping part, I don't owe anyone any extra money than what i'm already paying for in the cost of the food, which is already high enough. it's their employer's job to pay them.

but i'd rather not go there. there are threads where we've beaten that horse well beyond it's death. but in case no one notices, it's just me and eddie trolling eachother. don't pay attention to our talks of tipping or lack there of
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Hello; Table servers pretty much depend on tips as most do not make that much from their employer. On top of that your kids must make a mess, since you brought it up, and you seem to feel the servers should clean up after them for no tip.

That everyone should be able to enjoy a meal in a resturant should be a given. Conversation while eating is also a given. Table talk that is loud enough to interfere with those around us is simply rude from an adult or from children.

This version of your attitude seemes more reasonable up to a point. I wonder what the threshold of too much noise might be?
 
skjl47 said:
Hello; Table servers pretty much depend on tips as most do not make that much from their employer. On top of that your kids must make a mess, since you brought it up, and you seem to feel the servers should clean up after them for no tip.

That everyone should be able to enjoy a meal in a resturant should be a given. Conversation while eating is also a given. Table talk that is loud enough to interfere with those around us is simply rude from an adult or from children.

This version of your attitude seemes more reasonable up to a point. I wonder what the threshold of too much noise might be?
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That's easy. As soon as something breaks, it's time to go, right Sumo? lol ;)
 
skjl47 said:
Hello; Table servers pretty much depend on tips as most do not make that much from their employer. On top of that your kids must make a mess, since you brought it up, and you seem to feel the servers should clean up after them for no tip.

That everyone should be able to enjoy a meal in a resturant should be a given. Conversation while eating is also a given. Table talk that is loud enough to interfere with those around us is simply rude from an adult or from children.

This version of your attitude seemes more reasonable up to a point. I wonder what the threshold of too much noise might be?
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the threshold is subjective I guess. I will control the threshold because I am conscience of others around me. but if I feel it's not even that bad compared to how loud everyone else is, then I wouldn't worry about what anyone thinks

there is only one version of me. the first post you responded to was the quick comment. once I saw that you were not exactly understanding what I meant to say, (which I can understand from the way I said it) I just took the time to explain it better. whether I said it in shorter form or longer form, it says the same thing

I don't see it as rude. but again, it depends on what "loud" means to us. i'm pretty tolerable, and keep to myself. even if the noise from others was louder than it should be, I simply choose not to let it bother me. I don't like to let others' actions dictate how I am going to enjoy my time there. that's just the kind of person I am though. and I understand not everyone is like me.

I wouldn't let my kids make a huge mess, if they spilled a drink i'd wipe it. but if there are crumbs on the table or on the bench or a few French fries on the ground, I probably won't clean it up. why should I not expect a server to clean up? it is part of their job description. should they not be expected to do their job?

and no, servers and any other tipped employee don't depend on tips to make their salary. their employer pays for their salary. they will make AT LEAST their state's minimum wage even if no one tips them. it's the law. if they are getting screwed by their employer then that isn't my problem
 
For me i would say it really depends on where i am eating whether it bothers me or not...

Living in Asia everywhere you go is pretty much going to be a loud experience, so i've become quite accustomed to noisy settings, but with that said, when i'm going for fine dining or to a somewhat expensive restaurant, the last thing i want is to hear kids screaming, banging stuff on the table, crying etc... in fact, that goes the same for some of the adults over here...

I like to enjoy my meals in peace and quiet, and if i am going to spend a load of money, i want the full dining experience without any of the un-nesscary distractions...

You can call me a snob / snobbish or whatever... but i guess having eaten at everything from dumpy street cart food type places, to michelin star restaurants i have my expectations and nothing will change that...

I want to be able to enjoy my meal in a quiet place...
 
SumoNinja said:
the threshold is subjective I guess. I will control the threshold because I am conscience of others around me. but if I feel it's not even that bad compared to how loud everyone else is, then I wouldn't worry about what anyone thinks

there is only one version of me. the first post you responded to was the quick comment. once I saw that you were not exactly understanding what I meant to say, (which I can understand from the way I said it) I just took the time to explain it better. whether I said it in shorter form or longer form, it says the same thing

I don't see it as rude. but again, it depends on what "loud" means to us. i'm pretty tolerable, and keep to myself. even if the noise from others was louder than it should be, I simply choose not to let it bother me. I don't like to let others' actions dictate how I am going to enjoy my time there. that's just the kind of person I am though. and I understand not everyone is like me.

I wouldn't let my kids make a huge mess, if they spilled a drink i'd wipe it. but if there are crumbs on the table or on the bench or a few French fries on the ground, I probably won't clean it up. why should I not expect a server to clean up? it is part of their job description. should they not be expected to do their job?

and no, servers and any other tipped employee don't depend on tips to make their salary. their employer pays for their salary. they will make AT LEAST their state's minimum wage even if no one tips them. it's the law. if they are getting screwed by their employer then that isn't my problem
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Hello; I searched for information on server wages. My take is that some states allow for wages much less than the regular minimum wage with the assumption tips will allow servers to make up the difference from tips. Here is a link I just found about the subject.

http://www.dol.gov/whd/state/tipped.htm#Tennessee

The federal fair labor standards act allows for a cash wage as low as $2.13. By my count 19 states allowed wages for tipped workers to be the minimum of $2.13 including my state of Tennessee. The state of washington appears to be the highest at $9.47 an hour. Food for thought?
 
I've been kicked out of a Wendy's when I was like 19 or 20.

Sometimes children aren't the problem, I am.

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skjl47 said:
Hello; I searched for information on server wages. My take is that some states allow for wages much less than the regular minimum wage with the assumption tips will allow servers to make up the difference from tips. Here is a link I just found about the subject.

http://www.dol.gov/whd/state/tipped.htm#Tennessee

The federal fair labor standards act allows for a cash wage as low as $2.13. By my count 19 states allowed wages for tipped workers to be the minimum of $2.13 including my state of Tennessee. The state of washington appears to be the highest at $9.47 an hour. Food for thought?
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You're leaving out the fact that if a server ends up with less then the states minimum wage, it's the employer responsibility to cover it.

He's saying why not just pay them what they're owed instead of allowing employers to intentionally underpay them and pass the buck to the customer? You have any good reason for why that should be allowed? It's ethically wrong in my opinion....and the only reason it's happening is because it's always been that way.


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