Scientists have found a way to reverse the ageing process!!

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actually if anything, aslong as you agree with my post.

The population of the world would go down, eventually (might take a few thousand years for it to work out correctly...but we would need less people to do less jobs...and become a more effective community.
 
vladfloroff;4667023; said:
Actually reversing the aging of cells would help with STD and Spinal cord injuries at the same time avoiding the political mine field of fetal stem cell research.

Poverty and starvation are not fixable. Even in fully socialized countries like the soviet union there was still poverty and starvation. As a bio major the idea of carrying capacity and population growth WRT it would have been hammered home constantly.

No one in the medical field wants to prolong the worst part of life. To suggest this is openly insulting to those of us in the field. Even if we were all just greedy bastards sick people don't get paid and thus will not contribute to our salaries. Now healthy people who live longer and require maintenance and preventive care are a different story.

Spinal cord injuries have nothing to do with aging cells. My primary research for 4 years was spinal cord injury and stem cell therapy. Being able to have cells regenerate themselves would, however, benefit spinal cord injury patients, among numerous others.

I'm not arguing that this kind of research should be squashed, I'm just playing devils advocate.

But to get sustainable populations where there is little to no hunger or poverty (a pipe dream, I know), then you need to decrease the growth rate of the population at BOTH ends of the spectrum. The longer people live (whether in good health or bad), the larger the population will grow.

And if you don't think that those in the medical field don't want to prolong the end of life, then you're in lala land. That is the ENTIRE PURPOSE of the geriatric medicine field, as well as the main focus of almost every medical field there is.

I'm not saying they intentionally want to prolong the most unhealthy and painful parts of life, but until voluntary euthanasia is legalized, isn't that EXACTLY what the medical field is doing?

And while sick people may not work, most elderly sick people are on Medicare, which is tax dollars and guaranteed money in the hospitals (and insurance companies) pockets.

Healthy people don't require nearly the amount of medical care as sick people, and so are worth considerably less in the eyes of the medical field. That's why there is so little emphasis and money spent on preventative care vs. reactive care.

If you don't think the medical field has a vested interest in prolonging life (and even unhealthy life) then you're naive. Individual people may not have that goal, but the medical field as a whole does. It profits way too much from it not to.
 
I like where this thread is going guys, just make sure and be careful with sensitive subjects, ie politics and abortion.
 
If you don't think the medical field has a vested interest in prolonging life (and even unhealthy life) then you're naive.
Never said prolonging life wasn't our goal, it most certainly is. However in the current system very sick people are a drain and anyone past floor moper knows that. We need more healthy people to pay into the system. Also gerontology has the lowest profits (at least fro providers) than any other medical field. The most profitable being plastic surgery.

If you think back to Terry Shivo it wasn't the doctors who DEMANDED her life be prolonged. It wasn't the doctors who wanted removing feeding tubes banned. Don't blame the medical establishment for something we are not guilty of. First we get flamed for suggesting refusing care to the un-savable then we get flamed when we are forced to care for the unsavable.

That is the ENTIRE PURPOSE of the geriatric medicine field
No, it is to let seniors choose weather to live or die. You can have DNR DNI forms signed so don't blame medical professional if someone wants to stay strapped to a full life support sysytem.

That's why there is so little emphasis and money spent on preventative care vs. reactive care.
That's insurance not providers, docs always pester you to come in for that yearly physical.
 
vladfloroff;4667327; said:
Never said prolonging life wasn't our goal, it most certainly is. However in the current system very sick people are a drain and anyone past floor moper knows that. We need more healthy people to pay into the system.

If you think back to Terry Shivo it wasn't the doctors who DEMANDED her life be prolonged. It wasn't the doctors who wanted removing feeding tubes banned. Don't blame the medical establishment for something we are not guilty of. First we get flamed for suggesting refusing care to the un-savable then we get flamed when we are forced to care for the unsavable.

No, it is to let seniors choose weather to live or die. You can have DNR DNI forms signed so don't blame medical professional if someone wants to stay strapped to a full life support sysytem.

That's insurance not providers, docs always pester you to come in for that yearly physical.

Obviously we need more healthy people to pay into the system to keep the unhealthy ones alive. Because, you know, there are so many more healthy people out there. The way this country is going there won't BE any more "healthy" people in another 10-15 years...

I know that the doctors didn't DEMAND that her life be prolonged. But I can bet that some of them were whispering in the loved ones ears saying that "there's a 1 in 1 million chance that she recovers enough to blink her eyelid..." or "can you really pull the plug if there's a chance she could recover". Most doctors probably truly care about their patients and want the best for them. But I would bet that there are plenty who use their position to their own gain at the expense of the patients they treat.

I know that doctors take a lot of flak for the public's fickle nature, and I didn't say that doctors were the main culprit, I said the health care system is the culprit. Doctors are a part of that system, but are just as much prisoners of it as the patients are. They can only do and recommend what they've been taught to do and recommend. Its the system that's broken and needs fixing.

DNR/DNI do not give you the CHOICE of dying. They only give you the choice of not being brought back if you do die. Until a person can make a conscious decision to end their own life rather than live for years in pain and misery to the profit of the medical system, then nothing will change.

This new discovery seems (to me) to just be yet another way to extend the life span of people who already spend to much of the end of their lives in misery, all at the profit of hospitals, pharmaceutical and insurance companies.

And if you don't think these studies aren't driven by those same hospitals, pharmaceutical and insurance companies, just look at who's bankrolling the scientists doing the studies. Most of them are supported by the same companies that profit from the results of the studies...
 
id like to point out something that no one seems to notice...where you will be getting older longer, you'll also have lived longer too.

The proportional time of "dying" will be just as extended as the time you spend "living".
 
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