Seachem Stability: PUT TO THE TEST/blank slate (daily perams/pics)

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KaiserSousay;4097435; said:
I understand your question but I did not do 100% WC's to reset my nitrate back to 0PPM. There was a nitrate level in the tank from it being previously cycled. I used a med to treat a disease and killled off my biological, expected but none the less killed it off. I removed the meds with carbon and regular WC's.

Thanks for the reply.
Re-Read the thread, thinking I had missed some critical piece of information.
My point was, without a truly fresh start, the testing is not going to be the “definitive” Stability Review.
Had hoped the other poster, who was going to do the side-by-side test, would post results.
That would have sealed the deal, once and for all.
Starting with all fresh components is really the only way, I can see, to answer the simple question.
Does it or dosen`t it work.
One fresh tank/filter going fishless, next to it`s copy using Stability.
Same ammonia levels in each.
We all know seeding a new tank will speed the cycle, so no new information there.
I`m not saying Stability dosen`t work.
I have no “hands on” experience with it.
Actually hope it does work.
A product that would take the mystery and head scratching out of the nitrogen cycle would be nothing short of a miracle product.
Would certainly help allot of stressed fish and new fish keepers.
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John, I appreciate the feeback and can see how the test looks scewed. I had an uncycled tank and thought it would make for a good thread so why not. If you want to do a real apples to apples comparison, let me know what you think of this:

I have two 55g tank on a rack that are empty. I can buy two Hydor V sponges and run them on air. Same temp, same feeding (so the ammonia source is consistent between the two), 5 feeder goldfish each tank. One tank be Stability, the other with seeded media from another tank and see which one wins. If you think that would be better or closer to what your looking for, I'm down for the challenge. You think we should start a new thread with the challenge or continue this one? It will take me a week or so to buy everything needed to get it going, FYI...

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okay here goes.

3 tanks

tank 1 is a 10g, filled with a bunch of livebearer fry, 20-30, handful of RCS and snails.
tank 2 is a 10g, 1 adult platy with 5 or so fry, 4 red claw macro shrimp and several small snails.
tank 3 is a 33g, couple of lowlight plants, 4 guppies 2 platies 4 RCS


tank 1 and tank 2 have both been running several weeks, about 5 and 8 respectively. in the past week I tested tetra safestart with them, splitting a 30g dosage bottle between the two. I recorded this test daily on another forum, but the gist is that tank 1 started to show some promise, with nitrates rising up to around 5, but both eventually registering between 2 -4 on the ammonia tests. After the 10 day testing period, I did a 50% water change, and then another one the next day, which brought the ammonia levels back down to .5 in both tanks.
I tested the water prior to adding stability, both tanks read the same.
4/23/10
Ammonia 1.0
nitrites/nitrates 0

At this point I dosed the tank with prime and double dosed stability.

Tank 3, the 33g tank, is newly setup. However it does have the substrate from the previous owner (sand), but that was sitting in a bucket for several days so not likely to still have BB, like sand really holds any anyhow. He included a few large rocks and a filter squeezing from one of his established tanks.

I did not test tank 3 until today, so i'll post it with the other 2.

4/25/10
tank 1 amm1.0 nitrite0 nitrate<5 (slight change in nitrate)
tank2 amm1.0 nitrite0 nitrate 5 (yay)
tank 3 amm 0 (solid yellow) nitrite0 nitrate 5

I'm trying to be as specific as possible with this because its obviously not a definitive test, with already running tanks and whatnot but the more data we have on this the better. So far so good, my api liquid test kit is starting to run low so I guess i have to get another :(
 
i double dosed it because it has new media in the canister, also because i had to dose directly into the water, with the 10s i have little HOB filters so i could dose directly into the filter media. Seachem claims that its impossible to overdose stability, at the worst it will cause a bacterial bloom.

After reading through seachem's forum I caught a 'more is better' theme coming from the seachem rep.
 
davezxtc;4099021; said:
i double dosed it because it has new media in the canister, also because i had to dose directly into the water, with the 10s i have little HOB filters so i could dose directly into the filter media. Seachem claims that its impossible to overdose stability, at the worst it will cause a bacterial bloom.

After reading through seachem's forum I caught a 'more is better' theme coming from the seachem rep.
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I have never done anything with STABILITY other than what is listed in the Directions and it has worked from a 10gallon hospital tank, up to and including my 225g w/90gallon sump and again with the Eheim 2180 and Sponge filters.

Not too sure how it would cause a "bacteria bloom", but I'd like to read about that in the SeaChem forums, would you please post a link to those forums for me? Thanks ~Ben
 
If you guys are 100% POSITIVE that this stuff works, I'd be willing to play guinea pig (with help from the forum, of course)!
I have the 150 gallon I've been working on. 40 GALLON Sump is up and operational, heat is up to 80 as of this moment. I have Tahitian Black Moon sand as a substrate which is new (never been cycled or used in a cycled tank). I have 1 piece of driftwood in the tank which has been kept dry in storage for at least 1-2 years, no other decorations. There is nothing else in the tank that has ever been in another tank, and I have no other filters running on it right now. As of right now, the water has not even been treated for chlorine or chloramines.
I really want to get my Aro and Clown Knife in this tank fast! Sound feasible?
 
You think we should start a new thread with the challenge or continue this one? It will take me a week or so to buy everything needed to get it going, FYI...


Your project sounds like a winner to me.
Congarts on being in a position to do the test.
I think a new thread would be in order, as this would be a “Real Deal” test.
New everything, start from scratch, head to head, no question about it test.
The only minor issue would be the fish, but that would be really picky, even for me.
Will be a big plus to have a thread one can point to whenever this question pops up, or someone new wants to start up a tank.
Will be looking forward to your thread.
 
daveydoodle;4099600; said:
If you guys are 100% POSITIVE that this stuff works, I'd be willing to play guinea pig (with help from the forum, of course)!
I have the 150 gallon I've been working on. 40 GALLON Sump is up and operational, heat is up to 80 as of this moment. I have Tahitian Black Moon sand as a substrate which is new (never been cycled or used in a cycled tank). I have 1 piece of driftwood in the tank which has been kept dry in storage for at least 1-2 years, no other decorations. There is nothing else in the tank that has ever been in another tank, and I have no other filters running on it right now. As of right now, the water has not even been treated for chlorine or chloramines.
I really want to get my Aro and Clown Knife in this tank fast! Sound feasible?
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SYABILITY can easily handle the load of those two fish...I did my 225g with An Aro and several large cats a GT and a synodontis etc...
DeChlorinate and get your STABILITY, it's just that simple...
 
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