Shamu at Sea world Kills his trainer...

[Raptorthefishman]

Why do I feel like some people think the whale is more important than the woman that died. You don't have to agree but People come before animals.

 

[SumoNinja]

what makes you think it can be released? i dont know how many times people have said this ... you really think that is what is best for the whale ..

maybe they should take the responsibility of taking care of it for life since they ripped it out of its home and stuck it in a little ass pool ...

also if you watched any tv today you would SEE that its being held away from the other whales .. i saw it on live video today .. i can tell you that it is a small holding pool that is only about 6 feel wider then the whale is ...

and how many people have to die before they figure out that these are not teacup dogs that they can make do tricks .... it is not the whales fault that she could not play with the big guys ... ever play with a friend that weighs 100-200 lbs more then you .. i bet i can guess which one would get hurt first .. think about it ..

calm down killer, i live in socal, it's 9 am here. i don't watch tv during the day. i get up, get ready, go to work. i didn't say the whale wasn't isolated now. i meant their plans are to NOT keep it isolated like the article posted yesterday said. they also plan on keeping it with the rest of the whales and continue to interact with them all. they will change protocol as necessary.

my opinion is, let it go, or put it down. before you get your pannies all in a bunch let me explain.

1) again, how many people does this whale have to kill before they realize it is not meant to be in captivity? I'm not saying it is the whales fault. i feel for the whale just as much as you, got it??? I'm just saying, if they continue to keep the whale with the others and continue to interact with them, this whale will kill again. that's my opinion. agree or no??? we all can say the whale was playing, there has to be a reason it did what it did, but we'd all be guessing. we don't know what goes on in it's head. so imo, keeping it with the others and continuing to work with it is a bad idea.

2) if you don't release it and isolate it, basically, they will be holding it in a fish bowl, keep it fed until it lives the rest of it's life. what kind of life is that? if you really care about the animal, this should not be an option. humans crack under conditions like in a max security prison (which is like what this whale will be in) if they chose that path.

3) since the 2 options above doesn't seem right, this may very well be a better option. release it and let it take it's chances in the wild. this may not be the best thing but, better than risking another human life, and better than putting it in prison. agree or no??? this actually may very well be the best thing to do for the whale. like you said, it was put in captivity, it's not it's fault. so if it's not a safe animal to work with anymore, obviously since it has killed before, why continue to keep it in captivity where it is obviously not stable and happy right??? if the whale had to choose for itself, and not let humans do the thinking for it and decide what is best for it, i bet it would rather friggin run free. "let me go and let me decide what's best for me, humans!!!"

4) only other way i can see him being in captivity is to keep it with the rest of the whales to breed and seperate it when they are doing shows. but as smart as they are, this could cause jealousy. like in the case where the pet chimps attacked it's owners. owners gave a cake to one chimp for it's birthday and 2 other chimps got out of their cages and attacked the owners

bottom line is, i don't think this whale should be in captivity. since putting it down will enrage so many people, they should let it go. this is not saying its' the whales fault, it sucks, the whale loses in the end and IS the victim here. i think they should let all killer whales in captivity go.

but for tilikum in particular, let it go or put it down. that's just my opinion

 

[SumoNinja]

Why do I feel like some people think the whale is more important than the woman that died. You don't have to agree but People come before animals.

thank you. that's what i'm saying. i don't care how dumb humans are, if you have to choose, you have to save the human life over an animal.

if i had a kid that kept bullying my dog, but my dog attacked my kid, i'm sorry but, the dog has to go. i'm not gonna say it's my kids fault, he deserved it and continue keeping the two together on a daily basis. although it is the kids fault, you gott choose the kid over the dog

 

[SumoNinja]

does anyone have a source saying wether Tilikum was captured in the wild or not? because what i got is that the whale was bred in captivity but i haven't seen anything otherwise.

 

[mgk]

does anyone have a source saying wether Tilikum was captured in the wild or not? because what i got is that the whale was bred in captivity but i haven't seen anything otherwise.

wikipedia say capture also some news article say captured.

 

[Iffrat]

calm down killer, i live in socal, it's 9 am here. i don't watch tv during the day. i get up, get ready, go to work. i didn't say the whale wasn't isolated now. i meant their plans are to NOT keep it isolated like the article posted yesterday said. they also plan on keeping it with the rest of the whales and continue to interact with them all. they will change protocol as necessary. I was not hostile just posting my questions. and in my post i said they where going to hold it until things calmed down then put it back with the rest of the whales and continue breeding and using it for science research

my opinion is, let it go, or put it down. before you get your pannies all in a bunch let me explain. again not hostile.

1) again, how many people does this whale have to kill before they realize it is not meant to be in captivity? I'm not saying it is the whales fault. i feel for the whale just as much as you, got it??? I'm just saying, if they continue to keep the whale with the others and continue to interact with them, this whale will kill again. that's my opinion. agree or no??? we all can say the whale was playing, there has to be a reason it did what it did, but we'd all be guessing. we don't know what goes on in it's head. so imo, keeping it with the others and continuing to work with it is a bad idea. maybe if people didnt treat it like a pet puppy ..

2) if you don't release it and isolate it, basically, they will be holding it in a fish bowl, keep it fed until it lives the rest of it's life. what kind of life is that? if you really care about the animal, this should not be an option. humans crack under conditions like in a max security prison (which is like what this whale will be in) if they chose that path.

3) since the 2 options above doesn't seem right, this may very well be a better option. release it and let it take it's chances in the wild. this may not be the best thing but, better than risking another human life, and better than putting it in prison. agree or no??? this actually may very well be the best thing to do for the whale. like you said, it was put in captivity, it's not it's fault. so if it's not a safe animal to work with anymore, obviously since it has killed before, why continue to keep it in captivity where it is obviously not stable and happy right??? if the whale had to choose for itself, and not let humans do the thinking for it and decide what is best for it, i bet it would rather friggin run free. "let me go and let me decide what's best for me, humans!!!"

4) only other way i can see him being in captivity is to keep it with the rest of the whales to breed and seperate it when they are doing shows. but as smart as they are, this could cause jealousy. like in the case where the pet chimps attacked it's owners. owners gave a cake to one chimp for it's birthday and 2 other chimps got out of their cages and attacked the owners

bottom line is, i don't think this whale should be in captivity. since putting it down will enrage so many people, they should let it go. this is not saying its' the whales fault, it sucks, the whale loses in the end and IS the victim here. i think they should let all killer whales in captivity go.

but for tilikum in particular, let it go or put it down. that's just my opinion

what makes you think any of these whales will be able to make it in the wild .. they are not as fast as strong or as experienced as any of the other whales out there .. you really think that they could one on one take on sharks at this point .. or even hunt for seals ...

so your going to let it go and get attacked and die .. or starve to death .. sounds great .. lets let some prisoners go .. but only in the middle of the desert .. where they have to fend for them selfs .. good luck .. see ya ...

and if you look at how many people get killed my animals .. i would bet that the % of people that are killed by cats and dogs and horses and so on is much much higher then whales .. if anything these animals are probably more safe to be around then any other animal .. they just need to take the proper precautions ..

 

[Iffrat]

does anyone have a source saying wether Tilikum was captured in the wild or not? because what i got is that the whale was bred in captivity but i haven't seen anything otherwise.

yea he was wild .. i will find the link if you really want me to ..

 

[Iffrat]

thank you. that's what i'm saying. i don't care how dumb humans are, if you have to choose, you have to save the human life over an animal.

if i had a kid that kept bullying my dog, but my dog attacked my kid, i'm sorry but, the dog has to go. i'm not gonna say it's my kids fault, he deserved it and continue keeping the two together on a daily basis. although it is the kids fault, you gott choose the kid over the dog

if your kid puts his hand in your fish tank .. and your fish bites him .. are you going to kill your fish .. or just make sure the kid knows that you have to use special precautions when around the fish>?

 

[Raptorthefishman]

if your kid puts his hand in your fish tank .. and your fish bites him .. are you going to kill your fish .. or just make sure the kid knows that you have to use special precautions when around the fish>?

That's a horrible comparison.

 

[SumoNinja]

what makes you think any of these whales will be able to make it in the wild .. they are not as fast as strong or as experienced as any of the other whales out there .. you really think that they could one on one take on sharks at this point .. or even hunt for seals ... what makes you think they WON'T survive in the wild? and again, you're not addressing my reasoning. look at what is really best for the animal,........... if you were the whale, what would you prefer? i think if i were the whale, i'd want to be set free. let me deal with it myself. don't think you can cage me in, feed me until i die in this lame enclosure that you built for me and think that is the best for me. I may rather choose to be free, come and go as i please, adapt to the freedom of the ocean, AND risk death. RATHER than keeping me in a cell for the rest of my life while you feed me fish and squid for the rest of my life. (which is what YOU might think is the best for me) i wanna eat seals, sea lions, penquins, sharks,........... like all other killer whales in the wild do. How would you like it if i kept you in your house for the rest of your life and fed you pizza only for the rest of your life?

so your going to let it go and get attacked and die .. or starve to death .. sounds great .. lets let some prisoners go .. but only in the middle of the desert .. where they have to fend for them selfs .. good luck .. see ya ... i guarantee you, if you let the prisoners choose, they'd choose the desert, trust me. and at least prisoners get to come out of their cell every day. easy for us to say since we're not the ones in the cell

and if you look at how many people get killed my animals .. i would bet that the % of people that are killed by cats and dogs and horses and so on is much much higher then whales .. if anything these animals are probably more safe to be around then any other animal .. they just need to take the proper precautions .. of course there are more deaths relating dogs and horses. if there were thousand upon thousands of killer whale owners, i guarantee you there would be a higher death rate. this argument is rediculous

if your kid puts his hand in your fish tank .. and your fish bites him .. are you going to kill your fish .. or just make sure the kid knows that you have to use special precautions when around the fish>?

this isn't a good example. if the whale hurt the trainer and didn't kill her, it would make sense to use this argument. so if you want to use this argument, let's say the fish or dog or whatever seriously injured my kid if not killed the kid,............ the animal would have to go, sorry