I agree to an extent, I dont think I need an inspector coming to check up on my catsharks and epaulettes but say I had a wobby/ guitar fish/ nurse shark I think we should have someone checking on those.
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Really Deep blue see,
You want to pay the salary of a Gov employee to come out and inspect my 9 inch Wards wobbe that grows to whooping max of 2 feet. Do you think yearly is enough or should they make the trip on a monthly basis. I guess they should be keeping tabs on those short tailed nurses in my basement. Though most of my epaulettes are already larger than the nurses would ever reach. Though they do deserve special attention as you noted. Say my water is low and the 900 gal pond is actually 850. And what if my nitrates happened to be 45 the day of inspection, or the temp is 2 degrees too high. Am I then fined, the sharks taken and euthanized. This is what would be done because I could challenge it in court. That is what occurs if you try to keep a live undersized sports fish in my old state. (I know because I wanted to keep an 4 inch flounder for my fish tank.) The most important question though, do I have to take off work each time and wait between 9am-5pm like the cable guy, or will they divide the day in half and give me a range between 9 and noon.
Really, DBS, really.
You want to pay the salary of a Gov employee to come out and inspect my 9 inch Wards wobbe that grows to whooping max of 2 feet. Do you think yearly is enough or should they make the trip on a monthly basis. I guess they should be keeping tabs on those short tailed nurses in my basement. Though most of my epaulettes are already larger than the nurses would ever reach. Though they do deserve special attention as you noted. Say my water is low and the 900 gal pond is actually 850. And what if my nitrates happened to be 45 the day of inspection, or the temp is 2 degrees too high. Am I then fined, the sharks taken and euthanized. This is what would be done because I could challenge it in court. That is what occurs if you try to keep a live undersized sports fish in my old state. (I know because I wanted to keep an 4 inch flounder for my fish tank.) The most important question though, do I have to take off work each time and wait between 9am-5pm like the cable guy, or will they divide the day in half and give me a range between 9 and noon.
Really, DBS, really.
When it comes to talk about the restriction of animals of any kind for private individuals - there's two main things that should be considered.
1st - is this animal a potential threat to human safety(be the owner, their family or their neighbors).
2nd - don't the animal present a threat to the native habitat -if it's accidentally released.
If the animal in question - don't fit into either of these situations - then it shouldn't be restricted. Which most sharks that are generally available to private aquarists don't. In fact only one species fits would fit both - would be the Bull Shark. Because it is usually listed among the top 3 sharks as a potential "man-eater" (i.e. the threat to human safety), and Bulls have shown an ability to tolerate Freshwater for prolonged periods(i.e. a threat to native habitats).
The problem most of us worry about is that without good education on the subject - law makers may try to restrict an entire group of sharks - i.e. all carcharhinids, or even several groups of sharks - just because of 1 or 2 species.
1st - is this animal a potential threat to human safety(be the owner, their family or their neighbors).
2nd - don't the animal present a threat to the native habitat -if it's accidentally released.
If the animal in question - don't fit into either of these situations - then it shouldn't be restricted. Which most sharks that are generally available to private aquarists don't. In fact only one species fits would fit both - would be the Bull Shark. Because it is usually listed among the top 3 sharks as a potential "man-eater" (i.e. the threat to human safety), and Bulls have shown an ability to tolerate Freshwater for prolonged periods(i.e. a threat to native habitats).
The problem most of us worry about is that without good education on the subject - law makers may try to restrict an entire group of sharks - i.e. all carcharhinids, or even several groups of sharks - just because of 1 or 2 species.
alprazo;4902022; said:Really Deep blue see,
You want to pay the salary of a Gov employee to come out and inspect my 9 inch Wards wobbe that grows to whooping max of 2 feet. Do you think yearly is enough or should they make the trip on a monthly basis. I guess they should be keeping tabs on those short tailed nurses in my basement. Though most of my epaulettes are already larger than the nurses would ever reach. Though they do deserve special attention as you noted. Say my water is low and the 900 gal pond is actually 850. And what if my nitrates happened to be 45 the day of inspection, or the temp is 2 degrees too high. Am I then fined, the sharks taken and euthanized. This is what would be done because I could challenge it in court. That is what occurs if you try to keep a live undersized sports fish in my old state. (I know because I wanted to keep an 4 inch flounder for my fish tank.) The most important question though, do I have to take off work each time and wait between 9am-5pm like the cable guy, or will they divide the day in half and give me a range between 9 and noon.
Really, DBS, really.
That reply was a bit over the top. I didn't see any of this in DBS's post.
To the OP, actually, I don't disagree. Buying a license doesn't mean a Government employee has to come check up on me at my house. I have to buy a dog license each year (two in fact) and never once has anyone ever come to check up on my dogs.
To some extent, I think special permits and license aren't a bad idea. I would love to have a Snakehead. I would buy a permit to get one if I could. I would prefer not to have to of course, but, I can understand why the species is so regulated.
I understand that sharks are different for many reasons. And I assume that anyone who can afford a multi-thousand gallon tank to house them properly could afford...say a $50 license?
you just wait, next county over from mine people were getting fined door to door if they couldnt provide current proof of dog registration on the spot. http://blogs.seattleweekly.com/dailyweekly/2010/09/pet_owners_beware_king_county.phpCLDarnell;4902382; said:That reply was a bit over the top. I didn't see any of this in DBS's post.
To the OP, actually, I don't disagree. Buying a license doesn't mean a Government employee has to come check up on me at my house. I have to buy a dog license each year (two in fact) and never once has anyone ever come to check up on my dogs.
To some extent, I think special permits and license aren't a bad idea. I would love to have a Snakehead. I would buy a permit to get one if I could. I would prefer not to have to of course, but, I can understand why the species is so regulated.
I understand that sharks are different for many reasons. And I assume that anyone who can afford a multi-thousand gallon tank to house them properly could afford...say a $50 license?
Yes really, I don't know why this offended you so badly but I don't believe I deserve to be talked down to so rudely. I've been on this site for quite a while I've seen all this fish people get that never get taken care of properly. You have 27 posts so I'm guessing your still new but just wait you will feel the same as I do eventually. I'm glad you have a tank that can house your fish properly, many others cannot house their fish right. If you have a problem with what I say next time perhaps a little more respect would be nice. Have a nice dayalprazo;4902022; said:Really Deep blue see,
You want to pay the salary of a Gov employee to come out and inspect my 9 inch Wards wobbe that grows to whooping max of 2 feet. Do you think yearly is enough or should they make the trip on a monthly basis. I guess they should be keeping tabs on those short tailed nurses in my basement. Though most of my epaulettes are already larger than the nurses would ever reach. Though they do deserve special attention as you noted. Say my water is low and the 900 gal pond is actually 850. And what if my nitrates happened to be 45 the day of inspection, or the temp is 2 degrees too high. Am I then fined, the sharks taken and euthanized. This is what would be done because I could challenge it in court. That is what occurs if you try to keep a live undersized sports fish in my old state. (I know because I wanted to keep an 4 inch flounder for my fish tank.) The most important question though, do I have to take off work each time and wait between 9am-5pm like the cable guy, or will they divide the day in half and give me a range between 9 and noon
Really, DBS, really.
Wow dont you guys get it, alprazo is right, thats exactly what will happen if the government gets involved, look at the mess there is allready, you cant really believe we need more gov. agencies for things like this. If you think we do then they should crack down on all pet owners, what about pitbulls? They can be a threat to the owner and neighbors, maybe they should have weekly check ups, then again I had a friend that had one and it never bothered any thing, but it still would fall into the same catagory and would need to be checked up on.
How big are your ST Nurses?, I would like one of those somedayalprazo;4902022; said:Really Deep blue see,
You want to pay the salary of a Gov employee to come out and inspect my 9 inch Wards wobbe that grows to whooping max of 2 feet. Do you think yearly is enough or should they make the trip on a monthly basis. I guess they should be keeping tabs on those short tailed nurses in my basement. Though most of my epaulettes are already larger than the nurses would ever reach. Though they do deserve special attention as you noted. Say my water is low and the 900 gal pond is actually 850. And what if my nitrates happened to be 45 the day of inspection, or the temp is 2 degrees too high. Am I then fined, the sharks taken and euthanized. This is what would be done because I could challenge it in court. That is what occurs if you try to keep a live undersized sports fish in my old state. (I know because I wanted to keep an 4 inch flounder for my fish tank.) The most important question though, do I have to take off work each time and wait between 9am-5pm like the cable guy, or will they divide the day in half and give me a range between 9 and noon.
Really, DBS, really.
DBS,
I apologize that my comment came across as rude and offensive. It was not my intent. You stated " but say I had a wobby/ guitar fish/ nurse shark I think we should have someone checking on those." and I was trying to point out the issues and absurdities that come with such a request.
The unintended consequences of increased regulation is what lies beneath those murky waters. So more thought needs to be put into how to wade through them, if you are going to go in at all.
EDIT: Deano ~ 20 inches
I apologize that my comment came across as rude and offensive. It was not my intent. You stated " but say I had a wobby/ guitar fish/ nurse shark I think we should have someone checking on those." and I was trying to point out the issues and absurdities that come with such a request.
The unintended consequences of increased regulation is what lies beneath those murky waters. So more thought needs to be put into how to wade through them, if you are going to go in at all.
EDIT: Deano ~ 20 inches
lmao, some here are a bit too involved in conspiracy theories it seems. At the end of the day, it's just a fish. The FBI, CIA, ATF and SWAT aren't going to kick down your door for having an unlicensed fish.
Take the OPs comments as they were intended. I don't believe he was considering adding a whole new branch of Government.
Take the OPs comments as they were intended. I don't believe he was considering adding a whole new branch of Government.
