i dont think you get what im saying, there wouldnt be a fee for the permit, just an evaluation of your knowledge
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The problem though is that the government will do nothing but increase the regulations. Camel's nose....
Now, if a permit system could be designed by responsible keepers, under the condition that the government could in no way alter it, then I would be all for it. But since that will never happen...
Now, if a permit system could be designed by responsible keepers, under the condition that the government could in no way alter it, then I would be all for it. But since that will never happen...
Okay, so it looks better on paper than it does in practice. Note the use of "better" instead of "good."
We're actually trying to implement something like this in PA minus the whole "government putting it into law" part. The idea is that we need to show the state that our segment of the hobby can handle themselves therefore the state has no need to put any new regulations in place.
The system will be somewhat like Florida's system except that it's credit-based rather than hour-based and has the animals split up into tiers. An hour-based system is actually a very poor system in that it doesn't actually demonstrate that someone actually knows what they're doing rather they just put their time in; a credit-based system allows for someone to progress at their own pace and allows for them to achieve their desired tier as quickly/slowly as they're able to. People that already are working with hots would be able to test out of certain tiers, so no current keepers would be punished by the system unless they're really terrible keepers.
The system would also be customized to the individual. For example, if someone only wants to work with a gaboon viper, then they would only need to complete the portions of the course that would properly prepare them for said animal in order to speed them along in their training while still ensuring that they're truly prepared.
Another part of this idea is to have vendors get on board with the system in order to make sure that participants stick to their earned tiers. Ideally, vendors would refuse sales to those who choose not to go about learning how to work with hots the correct way, but that's pretty much a fantasy considering the ethics (or lack thereof) of some vendors. Of course then, reputable vendors putting them out of business through aggressive pricing & good customer service can solve that problem real fast.
i wasnt saying it was going to happen, and yes, i know the government would mess with it, but if it happened, and if it was left alone, it would be perfect
No it wouldnt. Gov has NO buisiness telling you what you can or cant own.
No permit for anything, ever. That is the best way.
so you approve of animals going to homes that have no knowledge of how to take care of them
Forgive me if I am wrong, but doesn't NYS have a permit system that deal with individual animals - akin to what crayfishguy is suggesting?
It sounds like the 'informal system' being worked on PA is the most ideal case of all, especially out of reach from schizophrenic government interventions. Hopefully it will be a showcase success for other states, provinces and territories to borrow from.
Well-put.
It sounds like the 'informal system' being worked on PA is the most ideal case of all, especially out of reach from schizophrenic government interventions. Hopefully it will be a showcase success for other states, provinces and territories to borrow from.
Well-put.
Very good, I like it!Okay, so it looks better on paper than it does in practice. Note the use of "better" instead of "good."
We're actually trying to implement something like this in PA minus the whole "government putting it into law" part. The idea is that we need to show the state that our segment of the hobby can handle themselves therefore the state has no need to put any new regulations in place.
The system will be somewhat like Florida's system except that it's credit-based rather than hour-based and has the animals split up into tiers. An hour-based system is actually a very poor system in that it doesn't actually demonstrate that someone actually knows what they're doing rather they just put their time in; a credit-based system allows for someone to progress at their own pace and allows for them to achieve their desired tier as quickly/slowly as they're able to. People that already are working with hots would be able to test out of certain tiers, so no current keepers would be punished by the system unless they're really terrible keepers.
The system would also be customized to the individual. For example, if someone only wants to work with a gaboon viper, then they would only need to complete the portions of the course that would properly prepare them for said animal in order to speed them along in their training while still ensuring that they're truly prepared.
Another part of this idea is to have vendors get on board with the system in order to make sure that participants stick to their earned tiers. Ideally, vendors would refuse sales to those who choose not to go about learning how to work with hots the correct way, but that's pretty much a fantasy considering the ethics (or lack thereof) of some vendors. Of course then, reputable vendors putting them out of business through aggressive pricing & good customer service can solve that problem real fast.
I should have the pair of C. atrox on Friday. I'll post pictures of them once I have them home.
The copperheads are up in the air now as our schedules aren't lining up too well, and I really don't want to have them shipped if I can avoid it.
The copperheads are up in the air now as our schedules aren't lining up too well, and I really don't want to have them shipped if I can avoid it.
Ryan, forget all those!!! Save some room up yo!!
No, but I am against gov telling me what I can own. That person should say to them selves I wont buy this. Do you feel people should need a permit for a child?
Are you ok with complicating and eventually killing the pet trade? A permit system like you are saying would eventually do that. Its a HORRIBLE idea and nothing you will say will somehow make this not true.
No, but I am against gov telling me what I can own. That person should say to them selves I wont buy this. Do you feel people should need a permit for a child?
Are you ok with complicating and eventually killing the pet trade? A permit system like you are saying would eventually do that. Its a HORRIBLE idea and nothing you will say will somehow make this not true.
