Some Like It Hot

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I figure that I may as well try to get this one if I can since he matches the female as far as color & pattern go plus has some nice peach tones; they should make some nice babies next season for me. I'm also going to be on the lookout for a het. albino or albino female to go with the male since he's supposed to be het. albino, but I'm not too worried about finding one just yet.

I should also have the Taylor's cantil (Agkistrodon bilineatus taylori) in the next few weeks as well; I'm waiting until my little female takes her first meal or two before I get her. Not too sure if I'm still getting the two southern copperheads that I mentioned before or not as I have yet to hear back from the guy about arranging a different time to meet.

At this point in time, it's looking like Agkistrodon & Crotalus are going to be my main focus, but I hope that I can add that other African genus that I hinted about earlier sometime late this year/early next year. I'm really curious to see how any babies from the hybrids turn out since their parents were from a natural hybridization zone in Death Valley thereby making such a pairing plausible; the female is showing more Panamint than Speckled while the male is the other way around.

Collection at this point:
1.0.0 Southern Copperhead (Agkistrodon contortrix contortrix)
2.1.0 Western Diamondback Rattlesnake (Crotalus atrox)
1.1.0 Speckled Rattlesnake x Panamint Rattlesnake (Crotalus mitchellii pyrrhus x Crotalus stephensi)

Exciting time at Sector 7-G it seems, I tell ya what there's nothing and I mean nothing more exciting than acquiring (including the planning of) new snakes. I perceive the excitement is tenfold for fantastic ones like rattlers and cantils.

Cantils, those are are definitely the hotter (double entendre) ones and it's good to see you appreciating the Agkistrodon bunch. I know of long time keepers who still swear by Copperheads and especially Cottonmouths. Those 'F2's should yield interesting results, as long as they're naturally occurring and you're not doing something to hybridize for the purpose of creating 'edgy' human-made freak rejects you're not doing wrong and you know it (you mentioned that too).

If I can trace your train of thought - do I sense A. l. / A. s. along with A. s.? Okay, maybe we need a better labeling system.

It seems like all is lined up for me to attend the Hamburg show on December 1st to bring back something across the border with the inspection/blessing of USFW. Good thing I was proactive about it, otherwise I probably couldn't have booked the Saturday inspection overtime hour during the Holidays.
 
Exciting time at Sector 7-G it seems, I tell ya what there's nothing and I mean nothing more exciting than acquiring (including the planning of) new snakes. I perceive the excitement is tenfold for fantastic ones like rattlers and cantils.

Cantils, those are are definitely the hotter (double entendre) ones and it's good to see you appreciating the Agkistrodon bunch. I know of long time keepers who still swear by Copperheads and especially Cottonmouths. Those 'F2's should yield interesting results, as long as they're naturally occurring and you're not doing something to hybridize for the purpose of creating 'edgy' human-made freak rejects you're not doing wrong and you know it (you mentioned that too).

If I can trace your train of thought - do I sense A. l. / A. s. along with A. s.? Okay, maybe we need a better labeling system.

It seems like all is lined up for me to attend the Hamburg show on December 1st to bring back something across the border with the inspection/blessing of USFW. Good thing I was proactive about it, otherwise I probably couldn't have booked the Saturday inspection overtime hour during the Holidays.

Yes, it is pretty exciting to work with & plan for the various venomous species that I'm interested in.

I don't see the cantil's temperament as being much worse than my "broken" copperhead (his temperament is very un-copperhead-like) although the venom is much worse since this one is from a neurotoxic locality.

I'm thinking that the babies (F2 Generation) will be pretty interesting & variable both due to the characteristic variability of the parent species (P Generation) & the variability that's associated with the F2 Generation. Outcrossing will be needed to avoid inbreeding, so I'm going to have to acquire unrelated individuals of the parent species that are from around the same area in order to try to keep the line going; at the last show, I was eying up a nice speckled that matched the proper coloration & pattern for that locality, so I might get that if it's at the next one (hopefully it doesn't sell at Hamburg in between that time). The goal is to maintain the calm demeanor & excellent "hook-ability" of these two while also keeping the coloration & pattern as natural as possible.

Not too sure if I follow you on the code names. They're all supposed to be of the same genus, but other specimens may come in with them as gifts from the exporter.

Great to hear that you're going to be acquiring a hot/hots. What do you plan on getting?
 
Yes, it is pretty exciting to work with & plan for the various venomous species that I'm interested in.

I don't see the cantil's temperament as being much worse than my "broken" copperhead (his temperament is very un-copperhead-like) although the venom is much worse since this one is from a neurotoxic locality.

I'm thinking that the babies (F2 Generation) will be pretty interesting & variable both due to the characteristic variability of the parent species (P Generation) & the variability that's associated with the F2 Generation. Outcrossing will be needed to avoid inbreeding, so I'm going to have to acquire unrelated individuals of the parent species that are from around the same area in order to try to keep the line going; at the last show, I was eying up a nice speckled that matched the proper coloration & pattern for that locality, so I might get that if it's at the next one (hopefully it doesn't sell at Hamburg in between that time). The goal is to maintain the calm demeanor & excellent "hook-ability" of these two while also keeping the coloration & pattern as natural as possible.

Not too sure if I follow you on the code names. They're all supposed to be of the same genus, but other specimens may come in with them as gifts from the exporter.

Great to hear that you're going to be acquiring a hot/hots. What do you plan on getting?

I meant Aspidelaps lubricus/scutatus, those things are as cute as venomous snakes can get but I am hesitant to start out with an elapid regardless of how "mild" their venom deposits may be.

I plan on leaving the show with 2 snakes, one venomous and the a non-venomous. At this moment a nice clean golden Eyelash Viper is ahead of the curb, and if I were to go this route I would have work done by http://www.insertswork.com/ to make for an attractive enclosure. From all the arboreal species that I've looked at, I have come to the conclusion that this just may be the most adequate one to start out with. Atheris is something that I've considered but apparently they don't hook too well and the lack of antivenin leaves me second guessing, and C. insularis; while reportedly are more interesting (level of interactivity), well.. I'd be hard-pressed to find one at the show and I plan on letting the USFW be aware of what will be present at the time of the inspection so they can have antivenin ready. Temple Viper, while I am led to believe that as long as parameters are met, they will do fine (like GTP, ETB but with higher humidity, closely watched hydration and more constant airflow), they just seem more delicate and if one kicks the bucket, I will probably flip this coffee table.. and more.

Another option that I'm looking at is Crotalus lepidus klauberi. Yes, these guys have neurotoxin in their venom but there is no recorded human death from these guys - nope, I don't care to be the first. They have a small venom yield from in correlation to their size and that's factor of 'comfort' in my field of scan. What can I say, I am a sucker for all things cryptic. Sistrurus, while holding up in their own rights, just aren't Crotalus. Crotalus cerastes was also considered at one time but the fact that they tend to do poorly in captivity has deterred me away since.

The two snakes that I've mentioned are reportedly frequently seen at the Hamburg show and I plan on making matters transparent prior to my departure for all involved parties. I will have about a month to decide before having to make my final decision.

The other snake that I will be on the look out for is Lampropeltis triangulum gaigeae, aka the poor man's Eastern Indigo Snake. Of course, the purchased will be a young specimen prior to the colour change in order to not induce the poor USFW officer into a stroke.
 
Looks like things are going to escalate faster than I originally planned...

Should be getting another male C. atrox today (Sunday); the seller also has a nice well-started Rio Fuerte beaded lizard (Heloderma horridum exasperatum) that I'm going to take a look at as well while I'm at it (that's still a few months off, though). This C. atrox is a perfect match for my female as they have matching colors & patterns plus this one has some nice peach tones to it.

I also just came across one very irresponsible local Craigslist poster who has a pair of C. atrox & an Egyptian cobra (Naja haje) that need to go ASAP, so I'm hoping that I can get them before someone who has no idea as to what they're doing gets them and then get at least the N. haje to a qualified owner as that's one snake I shouldn't have just yet. I really don't want nor need many more C. atrox after I get this other one, but I would rather bite the bullet & get these ones as well just to try to preserve this hobby. I can't believe that there are people that think Craigslist is an appropriate place to post animals such as this as it's only a matter of time before some clueless kid ends up with a hot & gets tagged if people sell to just anyone.
 
i would say get them, and sell/give them to someone experienced
 
i would say get them, and sell/give them to someone experienced

That's the plan: I planned on giving the N. haje to my mentor if he wants it, and I was going to hold on to the pair of C. atrox until I can find a suitable keeper for them. However, the guy hasn't emailed me back yet, so who knows if I'll even have a chance at getting them. Hopefully someone else that's qualified gets them if I don't get them.
 
I have two new additions to share with you guys soon. I'll post them once I get half-decent pictures of them.

Oops, I forgot to post them.

Kanburi pitviper (Trimeresurus kaburiensis). Probably female. ~14" long. CBB.

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Western massasauga (Sistrurus catenatus tergeminus). Probably female. ~6" long. CBB.

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I also no longer have the southern copperhead & the smallest western diamondback rattlesnake as they were part of the trade that got me these two new gems.

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