Spotted gars

[Daggel]

Is Daggel a previously banned member or something? Seems very aggressive in this forum as if he is against the regulars.

Are you serious? I haven't been aggressive at all. I am not against anybody. what you are inferring is that I am a bit course in dispelling a few misconceptions. I honestly don't think kidding around with HungDang is "aggressive".

To get back on the subject, the spotted gar from texas have round spots, they never have stripes, and their spots and ovals are usually green.

 

[Polypterus]

To get back on the subject, the spotted gar from texas have round spots, they never have stripes, and their spots and ovals are usually green.

No... they do have stripes actually at certain sizes (usually under 12 inches) and I've seen a few larger ones with clear and defined Zig zag patterns as well
both laterally and dorsally.. They actually do not always have spots. Coloration is highly variable..

 

[Polypterus]

So, how about those spotted gars? How does one accurately determine the difference between a spotted gar and a Florida gar? Let's discuss this matter, shall we? You already know what my view is on the matter, so what do all of you think?

Maybe we can have that conversation when the internets matures a little and accepts things like big scary words.... Or if a good number of people would just shut the hell up and stop making a nightmare out of this format of information exchange...

 

[Daggel]

No... they do have stripes actually at certain sizes (usually under 12 inches) and I've seen a few larger ones with clear and defined Zig zag patterns as well
both laterally and dorsally.. They actually do not always have spots. Coloration is highly variable..

"They actually do not always" is the same thing as saying as "it would be highly unvariable". Lets just say that Spotted Gar from Texas are spotted, their base color is clear/white, their spots are green/black, and there are no stripes or zig zags.

My gar define this description. No spotted gar that I know of are "highly variable". That would make me think of a hybrid. You will not see any "spotted" gar anywhere that I have seen that have stripes or zigzags.

 

[Daggel]

and one more thing before I quit replying to this thread, I have been looking at "spotted" gar for sale on various sites, and they don't look anything like my gar. either I am wrong, or they are wrong. this isn't a difference of opinion. it is clear cut and very obvious. all of the people posting pictures on this website of their spotted gar do not have spotted gar IMO.

I will post some pics and video of my gar so that people will know what spotted gar look like. They DO NOT look like the gar that bobtan posted. Not at all. It isn't just a matter of spots and zigzags. That would be like saying smallmouth and largemouth bass are the same fish, there is a difference. look on the Daggel69 page on youtube.

 

[Polypterus]

"They actually do not always" is the same thing as saying as "it would be highly unvariable". Lets just say that Spotted Gar from Texas are spotted, their base color is clear/white, their spots are green/black, and there are no stripes or zig zags.

My gar define this description. No spotted gar that I know of are "highly variable". That would make me think of a hybrid. You will not see any "spotted" gar anywhere that I have been that have stripes or zigzags.

Really..... Do you really want to go here? Honestly and I'm asking sincerely???? CYA for me.. if you choose it then I'm clear.. It is your choice to get an educational ass wooping on Lepisosteus oculatus....

Do you choose #1: I'm just going to shut up now.. It will be a good time too..

Or do you choose#2: I want to be slapped silly under overwhelming evidence that I'm actually not quite right because someone has a great deal more information and has spent a great deal more time, expense and effort towards these fish.

Pick your next move....

 

[Polypterus]

and one more thing before I quit replying to this thread, I have been looking at "spotted" gar for sale on various sites, and they don't look anything like my gar. either I am wrong, or they are wrong. this isn't a difference of opinion. it is clear cut and very obvious. all of the people posting pictures on this website of their spotted gar do not have spotted gar IMO.

I will post some pics and video of my gar so that people will know what spotted gar look like. They DO NOT look like the gar that bobtan posted. Not at all. It isn't just a matter of spots and zigzags. That would be like saying smallmouth and largemouth bass are the same fish, there is a difference. look on the Daggel69 page on youtube.

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Oh just please tell me they are not SPG... I so await this...

Really do not need your whatever to know what a spotted gar is.. Pretty much have that taken care of...OP posted FLG and that was pretty well known outright.. Why is this even being brought back again?

 

[Wiggles92]

and one more thing before I quit replying to this thread, I have been looking at "spotted" gar for sale on various sites, and they don't look anything like my gar. either I am wrong, or they are wrong. this isn't a difference of opinion. it is clear cut and very obvious. all of the people posting pictures on this website of their spotted gar do not have spotted gar IMO.

I will post some pics and video of my gar so that people will know what spotted gar look like. They DO NOT look like the gar that bobtan posted. Not at all. It isn't just a matter of spots and zigzags. That would be like saying smallmouth and largemouth bass are the same fish, there is a difference. look on the Daggel69 page on youtube.

I just watched your video again, and I'm pretty sure that those are not alligator gar but are shortnose gars and/or longnose gars. The build of the gars seems to be much closer to that of a shortnose gar and/or longnose gar rather than an alligator gar. The fact that they appear to be shortnose gars and/or longnose gars would also explain for the relatively small size of the gars in that particular body of water as you mentioned in the video description since shortnose gars typically fall within the 20" to 28" range as adults in the wild and longnose gars typically fall within the 28" to 40" range as adults in the wild. Please remember that their pattern and coloration is completely useless for a positive ID in this case since they have greatly reduced patterns (if any) and coloration because of the clarity of the water that they were in.

Now then, on to screenshots of the actual gars in question.

For example, here's a screenshot of the one gar which appears to be a longnose gar:


These two screenshots appear to be of shortnose gars based on the build of the gars:

 

[Polypterus]

yeah those are all LNG and shorts..

 

[E_americanus]

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Oh just please tell me they are not SPG... I so await this...

Really do not need your whatever to know what a spotted gar is.. Pretty much have that taken care of...OP posted FLG and that was pretty well known outright.. Why is this even being brought back again?

Richard i think the gars in that pic are zebra-stripe rocket gars...you probably don't know what you're talking about

I just watched your video again, and I'm pretty sure that those are not alligator gar but are shortnose gars and/or longnose gars. The build of the gars seems to be much closer to that of a shortnose gar and/or longnose gar rather than an alligator gar. The fact that they appear to be shortnose gars and/or longnose gars would also explain for the relatively small size of the gars in that particular body of water as you mentioned in the video description since shortnose gars typically fall within the 20" to 28" range as adults in the wild and longnose gars typically fall within the 28" to 40" range as adults in the wild. Please remember that their pattern and coloration is completely useless for a positive ID in this case since they have greatly reduced patterns (if any) and coloration because of the clarity of the water that they were in.

Now then, on to screenshots of the actual gars in question.

For example, here's a screenshot of the one gar which appears to be a longnose gar:
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These two screenshots appear to be of shortnose gars based on the build of the gars:
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ryan, i think you're right on the LNG, the other two pics it is very tough to tell...they could be SNG, particularly the middle shot, or really washed out SPGs as SPGs in the south actually show less vivid pattern particularly from muddy waters.

then again i could be talking out of my ass since that other guy is apparently the only person who knows what a real spotted gar looks like--
--solomon