Hardest part now is knowing what they are and they keep switching the namesThanks mate it’s definitely a tough one to swallow I’ll definitely try again in future as I was planning to turn that tank into a mainly goonch tank so I could observe their natural behaviours I’ll probably give it a while though that’s left a bad taste in my mouth for the time being. I may go down the natural subtropical route for them as well as I’ve seen quite a few people on here have some luck with that