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The bala thing happen to me as well, but it was in walmart =/

The guy who was taking care of the fish put bala sharks, oscars, and goldfish together in a 10 gallon tank for sale! When I asked him what he was doing he said it makes it look "Better".... I had my parents get the manager when he was at the point of putting saltwater fish in the tank :screwy:
 
Near;1084695; said:
The bala thing happen to me as well, but it was in walmart =/

The guy who was taking care of the fish put bala sharks, oscars, and goldfish together in a 10 gallon tank for sale! When I asked him what he was doing he said it makes it look "Better".... I had my parents get the manager when he was at the point of putting saltwater fish in the tank :screwy:


Wow, i just dont see where petco/petsmart gets their employees lol
 
Theres another thing to concider here...VERY few fish ever live long enough to get even CLOSE to thier full adult size. So if your talking an AVERAGE size for most of these fish then the tags are not that far off. Most fish CAN get a lot larger of course but if all of the fish sold by Petsmart/Petco alone reached full adult size we could feed a good portion of the world.
 
ShadowBass;1084519; said:
And as far as going up to the person and trying to remedy the situation, I dunno about the original poster, but me and my husband have gone up to people trying to politely give them advice so many times it's ridiculous, and 99.9% of the time they either don't understand what we're saying, don't care, or think the employee knows better because they work at a pet store.
Not to be insulting, but your people skills must suck. Though I dought you have actually done this a thousand times with only one sucess. Obvious by your posts your are knowledgable in fish keeping so I'm not sure the reason for you being unsucessful. But hey at least ya tried

ShadowBass;1084519; said:
Because the thing is, if someone WANTS the information they go looking for it BEFORE they go to buy the fish. Most people want a tank full of fish to look at overnight, and until they kill that whole tank full of fish they aren't going to realize the pet store employee doesn't know wtf they're talking about.
No they want the info, but are generally to lazy to go look for it. All you do is have to plant a seed. Don't make them or the employee look stupid. Just state a fact and give them a reference to look it up.

Suggested comment. "Hi there, ya know I saw online at MFK.com that Bala sharks will grow to be almost a foot long, and that most fish will keep growing even if the tank is too small."

People don't like to be wrong, so even though the sale goes through, The buyer or seller or both will check out to see if you maybe were right.
BushFishRox;1084493; said:
Disgruntled PetSmart employee... EVERYBODY RUN AND HIDE!!!!
:screwy::grinno:

:ROFL:

dchaos52;1084594; said:
lol calm down bderick, honestly the filtration system did not cost "and outrageous price" as you stated..

If you paid full price, then you paid double what ya should have.

dchaos52;1084594; said:
plus, if they honestly wanted to buy fish they should have done SOME research first, even if i were to go up and tell them its not what they WANT to hear, so they wont heed my warning. It was just another one of those "Pretty fish tank, no work" buyers who dont know what they are getting in to. Its their fault if they dont study the fish they plan on purchasing, so calm down.. internet fights get you no were

So you really have no real concern for the well being of the fish? Amazing how easy it is to put the blame on someone else.

Near;1084695; said:
The bala thing happen to me as well, but it was in walmart =/

The guy who was taking care of the fish put bala sharks, oscars, and goldfish together in a 10 gallon tank for sale! When I asked him what he was doing he said it makes it look "Better".... I had my parents get the manager when he was at the point of putting saltwater fish in the tank :screwy:

Good job for making an effort to do something about it.

Wolf3101;1084740; said:
Theres another thing to concider here...VERY few fish ever live long enough to get even CLOSE to thier full adult size. So if your talking an AVERAGE size for most of these fish then the tags are not that far off. Most fish CAN get a lot larger of course but if all of the fish sold by Petsmart/Petco alone reached full adult size we could feed a good portion of the world.

I don't know what this says, if this is your experience, then you should probably study up on fish keeping. Because this is not the norm. I however would disagree, check out craigslist sometime it is pitaful how many oscars and pacu there are for adoption.
 
I need to check up on fishkeeping?

You need to take a long serious look at the numbers of fish that are sold in the US on a daily basis.

I've been in the hobby for over 30 years and I've been in animal rescue for the same amount of time. Fish that have outgrown thier owners tanks have always and will always be with us... but if even a fraction of a precent of the large problem fish reached full adult size we would be knee deep.

Even the natural attrition rate of fry weeds out all but a tiny handful of offspring. You mentioned Pacu...One local Fish store that I called up for the hell of it sells between 1200 and 3000 of them a year and has for years...This is ONE relitivly small retail establishment we're talking about here.

Your contention seems to be that MOST if not ALL of these fish survive to adulthood and end up in public aquarium facillities...
 
Wolf3101;1084896; said:
I need to check up on fishkeeping?

You need to take a long serious look at the numbers of fish that are sold in the US on a daily basis.

I've been in the hobby for over 30 years and I've been in animal rescue for the same amount of time. Fish that have outgrown thier owners tanks have always and will always be with us... but if even a fraction of a precent of the large problem fish reached full adult size we would be knee deep.

Even the natural attrition rate of fry weeds out all but a tiny handful of offspring. You mentioned Pacu...One local Fish store that I called up for the hell of it sells between 1200 and 3000 of them a year and has for years...This is ONE relitivly small retail establishment we're talking about here.

Your contention seems to be that MOST if not ALL of these fish survive to adulthood and end up in public aquarium facillities...

If you can actually show reference to this, then it could be debatable. But I would dought you could come up with these numbers, and prove it:)


WTF do fry have to do with it, LFS don't sell fry. So to even average them in with your ridiculous Max size equation is:screwy:

:duh: :WTF: Your telling me that a small LFS is selling 3-8 pacu a day.:ROFL: I'd love to see this place, but I dought you would provide a reference:liar:

Ofcourse now that I think about it your probably right. not many pacu reach 36" so that would justify the 12" that the pets store list for there max size
 
Can we ban Petsmart bashing? It's too easy and these threads make me think of two little old ladies sitting at the beauty parlor talking about the same black sheep. And someone always gets heated for no reason. I worked for a chain store years ago and can confirm that they give no training about fish. It is expected that you learn on your own. I don't get upset about the lack of knowledge, just the fact that some workers will never admit to not knowing something. I have argued with an employee over what I consider common knowledge. They want to make money, not educate the world.
 
Pet World
819 Harriman PL
San Berdanio CA.

Additionally you can call any one of a thousand petsmarts and ask how many oscars they sell on any given day.

Heres another little tidbit...

Annual sales of aquarium fishes in the United States range from 75 to 350 million fishes, averaging 20 fishes in each of 16.3 million households. This approximates about 326 million aquarium fishes valued at between $115 and $344 million in the United States. Axelrod (1971) estimated that 20 million aquaria are in homes, 6,000 in pet stores, and 1,000 in variety stores selling aquarium fishes and supplies and that more than 450 manufacturers and importers of aquarium supplies are in the United States. He stated that the three largest suppliers had annual retail sales of more than $350 million. In addition to sales of the fishes are sales of aquaria, air pumps, filters, foods, medications, and other supplies and profits from fish culture, breeding, holding, and shipping facilities (Courtenay and Stauffer 1990).


Just to give you a slight idea of the numbers we're dealing with...However I'd be MORE than willing to look at any information you have to the contray that proves your point and I can even manage to do it without calling you a lier. After all it's poor form to ask to ask for proof that your unwilling or unable to give yourself...
 
Pet world, what no phone number? Didn't you just call them or did you previously enquire on the number of Pacu they sell? That's OK if the store exists I'm sure I can find it.

Because I have google too, interresting little paragraph ya quoted there. Came from the following;

Nonindigenous Aquatic and
Selected Terrestrial Species
of Florida

Status, Pathway and Time of Introduction, Present Distribution, and Significant Ecological and Economic Effects
Published on the Internet, March 1996, by the
University of Florida, Center for Aquatic Plants

James A. McCann
Lori N. Arkin
James D. Williams
National Biological Service
Southeastern Biological Science Center
7920 N.W. 71st Street
Gainesville, Florida 32653


http://plants.ifas.ufl.edu/mctitle.html


Oh, It's in Chapter 6, section 2 first page, bottom paragraph.

Now assumming you actually had these numbers before you posted this;
Wolf3101;1084740; said:
Theres another thing to concider here...VERY few fish ever live long enough to get even CLOSE to thier full adult size. So if your talking an AVERAGE size for most of these fish then the tags are not that far off.

What exactly does it have to do with the incorrect tags at these fishstores?
 
Not to be insulting, but your people skills must suck. Though I dought you have actually done this a thousand times with only one sucess. Obvious by your posts your are knowledgable in fish keeping so I'm not sure the reason for you being unsucessful. But hey at least ya tried

99.9% was an exaggeration....The point is that actual hobbyists or people that want to be actual hobbyists are a small minority.

Most of the people going in to buy fish DON'T want to hear how to cycle their tank, they DON'T want to hear that they have to wait to add fish, they DON'T want to hear that those fish they're buying will outgrow their tanks, they DON'T want to hear that they have to do actual maintanance other than adding some water to take care of the fish, they DON'T want to hear that the little 5g hex they just bought won't support much more than a betta, so when the employee tells them what they want to hear they're happy with it.

You're assuming that a majority of people actually give a **** if their fish keel over.

The ones that ARE potential hobbyists are going to likely end up extremely confused in the process of setting up their tank because any information they get is going to contradict what they've already heard and what they will hear, including the information I give them myself. You can give them references but anyone that knows how to use the net is going to look at your references and then several other websites that likely have contradictory information. The way most of us found out how to keep fish properly was by accidentally killing fish and then figuring out how NOT to kill fish. Flame me if you want, but that's the sad truth because there is a lack of valid fishkeeping information and a HUGE amount of utter CRAP floating around about it, especially on the net.
That doesn't mean I don't try to educate people that I come into contact with and that NO ONE is receptive, but it's not a very large percentage of people and most people feel inconvenienced when you go up to them trying to tell them anything whether it's in a polite manner or not.

I can't fault petsmart for not hiring educated fishkeepers because there's a shortage of those types of people. I CAN fault the individual employees that knowingly give people invalid information (and yes they do exist).
And no I'm not faulting ALL employees. I have seen some of the signs with correct sizes on the fish written in, or papers put over the signs with correct info. It's all up to which employees are there at what times.
 
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