sturgeon

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troutking;2827189; said:
arent u guys derailing this thread anyways i found this site that has alot of info on sturgeon http://www.sturgeon-web.co.uk/food.php i bought 2 white sturgeons before and they are hard to keep. i would not recommend anyone to keep this fish. before i thought they were cool and read a bit on them so i got one but they are a pain. if anyone of u really want to keep one go ahead. i also recommend reading this book called tankbusters it has a little section on sturgeon. found it at my local library

Thanks for the info, I too feel that some fishes are more difficult to keep than others and that sturgeon in general are more difficult than many large fish but I think it bears repeating that there are sturgeons and then there are sturgeons. White sturgeon are much harder to keep than shovelnose sturgeon for example. To assume all sturgeon are as hard to keep as white sturgeon would be wrong and would discourage both keepers and sellers from getting the sturgeon that are relatively easy to keep.
 
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lil_blue;1963601; said:
spankbelly, i gotta say that i really dont appreciate the disrespect in your posts, if you feel that fishkeeping is as inhumane as our worlds problems, then i suggest you check out the site name, and find somewhere else to rant about your problems. Quite frankly, i dont think anyone appreciates it.

We put cows on this earth and purposefully breed them, so we can use them as a resource. Some sturgeon species are endangered, cows not so much.

I fully support keeping the fish that fascinate you. Provided they have a proper environment, shovelnose sturgeon can live happily for a long time. Im more worried about an uneducated person with an empty aquarium buying a sturgeon, from an uneducated seller (or irresponsible), and having a wild born fish die in a small glass box.

I'm expecting a nice post of sarcasm and you being ignorant to anything but your own ideas in reply.


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Peter McFarlane;1902943; said:
It seems your missing the point of this whole topic. This isn't a "show your sturgeon" thread.

It's discussing whether on not it's right to keep a sturgeon in a tank. In terms of the fish being a constant swimmer who deserves a certain amount of space.

If your after pretty pictures go and google sturgeon


I was going to be sarcastic. But having reread my posts looking for whatever issue you are complaining about, I don't think it is necessary.
If you think actually discussing the topic is anoying...

"then i suggest you check out the site name, and find somewhere else to rant about your problems. Quite frankly, i dont think anyone appreciates it."

Because...

"I fully support keeping the fish that fascinate you. Provided they have a proper environment, shovelnose sturgeon can live happily for a long time. Im more worried about an uneducated person with an empty aquarium buying a sturgeon, from an uneducated seller (or irresponsible), and having a wild born fish die in a small glass box."

So what's the problem?
I was discussing and expressing the harsh reality of exactly what you say.
Except I did it with skill, creativity, poetic truths, humor and a legitimate question.
All of which are likely to make a bigger and more lasting impression on the uninformed than simply reciting dry facts as if this board were as limited as a library encyclopedia.

Also...

"spankbelly, i gotta say that i really dont appreciate the disrespect in your posts,"..."I'm expecting a nice post of sarcasm and you being ignorant to anything but your own ideas in reply."

...is the only disrespectful or ignorant post on this thread.
The rest of us were just having a conversation.

So I guess I failed to deliver.
I am not ignorant, nor do I find anything here to be sarcastic about.

"Quite frankly, i dont think anyone appreciates it."

Read it again.
 
Death Pony;1881456; said:
Here are the maximum lengths of the most common North American sturgeon;
Lake Sturgeon - 8 feet
White Sturgeon - 12 feet 6 inches
Atlantic Sturgeon - 14 feet
Shovelnose Sturgeon - 3'

get a shovelnose if you want a sturgeon, get a shovelnose. Pallid sturgeon are around the same size too. Shovels like large river channels with a moderate current and a firm sand or gravel bottom.

Absolutely not true on the maximum sizes. There have been white sturgeon caught here in the northwest much larger than 12'6".. Hell i've landed one at 13'3"
 
Death Pony;1917594; said:
Keeping atlantic sturgeon is a very bad idea!!! This is a pretty good example of why. Shovelnoses are okay, they just need lots of space.

This is not an Atlantic Sturgeon, it is a White Sturgeon.

I am simply posting to help give an idea about wild sturgeon and those I know that have been kept in captivity. I have personally seen a 14 foot White sturgeon, granted it was dead. Died from lack of oxygen content in the water due to a massive outbreak of algeal growth in the mid 90's. Anyway, sturgeon are a common fish here. They do not breed well due to the dams we have placed on the river. It's slowed the high current areas during the spring meltoff that they rely upon to successfully breed. You see, Sturgeon require the current to actually assist with forcing the eggs out. If it's a poor water year they don't breed.. atleast not here. The still breed well in the Columbia due to the massive waterflow the Columbia has. Sturgeon are ocean going fish just as salmon, however unlike salmon they do not make just one trip and do not die when returning. They travel between fresh and salt often.

I have seen several White and Green Sturgeon in captivity. Some as large as 9 feet long. Most 5 and under. We have an area nearby that has old fishruns from a rainbow hatchery that house 6 or 7 sturgeon each under five feet. Sturgeon here do quite well in these colder waters and are found in the Snake, Clearwater, Salmon, Lower Boise, Lower Payette, and a few other minor rivers but not in great numbers. These rivers run below 65 degrees year round. In my humble opinion I think it would be a difficult fish to work with due to it's low tolerance of poor water conditions and overall size. Smaller species from warmer climates are much more rewarding for a large aquarium or home pond.

I fished for Sturgeon for 20+ years and have worked to tag, measure, and weigh these fish for our fish and game service for 18 years. I have caught only 3 or 4 green sturgeon which are much smaller than their cousin the white. I have caught well over 1000 white sturgeon and I have a deep respect for such an amazing fish. I would love to be able to keep a smaller variety just to view their habits. Oh, and sturgeon at larger sizes have been known to be aggressive and use tactics such as tail slaps on other fish.

As for their habits at night and during the day, Sturgeon tend to be nocturnal but they are active during the day as well. Sturgeon often "breach" or "roll" at night. the current theory of most of us here is that they perform it as a means of cleaning gills and flushing. The air contact combine with water contact helps to wash away to particulate matter they've gathered during feeding. We catch sturgeon on cutbait here, and we used to Lasso the tails when we landed them to make them more managable as they can move in a hurry and are hard to deal with once landed. that Lasso practice has been banned due to the damage it caused to the fish. We've also set laws for barbless hooks. Sturgeon here are strictly catch and release.

Hope some of this information has helped educate a few of you about these awesome inspiring fish.
 
I live in Washington and catch sturgeon all the time that are well over twelve feet long. But in my opinion, they would probably be a fairly boring pet, only kept for nostalgic purposes. After all, they are pretty much giant sucker fish.
 
matt.beyer;2897628; said:
I live in Washington and catch sturgeon all the time that are well over twelve feet long. But in my opinion, they would probably be a fairly boring pet, only kept for nostalgic purposes. After all, they are pretty much giant sucker fish.
I fished Washington for years....
What river, were you catching Sturgeon on?
What did you use for bait?
 
california sturgeon aka white sturgeon(they'll never sell green sturgeon). only the west coast has it. along the stretch of north california all the way the west of canada up to alaska.

Don't keep a sturgeon, its crazy boring because they take FOREVER to grow. 66" sturgeon is approximately 25-30 years old. World record is 20ft long weighing over 1800lbs and about 150-175 years old. You'll need a Lake for it LOL
But overall, if you want it...go for it. They make good eating, it just takes for ever to grow. By the way, I would recommend feeding it clams, squid, herring, shad, ghost shrimp aka sand shrimp, pile worms, eels(pacific lamprey), salmon roe, trout roe, night crawler. Those are all natural food for white sturgeon and will get you the best taste out of it. :popcorn:
 
I have seen some massive sturgeons.
 
matt.beyer;2897628; said:
But in my opinion, they would probably be a fairly boring pet

BIG_ONE;2898280; said:
Don't keep a sturgeon, its crazy boring because they take FOREVER to grow.


i have to disagree ... i think they have a lot more personality than most other fish, and they are constantly moving, which makes them very entertaining to watch.
they do flips in the water, swim upside down, and run up the sides and front of the tank. they are unlike any other fish that i've seen in a tank.
as for their growth rate, they are by no means RTC, but they arent slouches either. the 2 sterlets i have have grown from 4" to 11" in about 8 months. and if i remember correctly, the white that i had grew a little faster than that. they have slowed a little bit since hitting the 10" mark, but they aren't too slow growing.
 
teleost;2898537; said:
Hey Spankbelly. For ease of reading and for the younger members we usually type sarcasm in mauve.

I'll dim the lights.
 
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