Sudden Ray Death? ... Could it be Hyperplasia?

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After careful deliberation, the staff decided to give this another chance to continue discussion of the original topic.

There will be NO more personal tirades. Keep aside your personal differences and do not ruin this thread with your own personal agenda. I don't want to see this thread requiring our intervention time and again. I'm sure you already know what happens if you toe the line.
 
Great!!

So where were we?

We now know what this is.... So:

Are we to the point where we do not think this is preventable, and is simply just going to happen based on the idea that we control the factors leading up to it(some thinking they are not avoidable) ?

Or do we think it is preventable in most cases?

Is it possible ALL rays have this to some extent, and the ones that have it the worse simply die?
 
As for rolling ammonia spikes

I know it is not the most accurate test available but I have an ammonia alert badge in my tank. It never registers any ammonia after feedings etc...

I would like to see more testing done on this with more accurate equipment maybe even an "ammonia probe". I am pretty sure they exist and are just very expensive.

I do believe that every time a ray is exposed to bad conditions it can compound. Like the straw that breaks the camels back. That is why I am a firm believer in captive breed rays whenever possible.
 
Well, in wild caught cases, it really comes down to the original shipper, doesn't it? The people that catch and ship the rays.... Shouldn't they just do a better job handling and shipping the rays? But then again how can you monitor that....

I guess it comes down to trusting the lfs or person the buyer is getting the ray from... Expierence with a certain retailer or distributor that they are trusting their shipper that brings the rays into the states, i say states bc thats where i am and the majority pple that has stingrays on this forum are from the states...i believe.

I think that is the only way to help prevent this... but thats just my opinion...

in a CB aspect, it just comes down to how well you take care and the precautions taken for your rays... How spiritually you are on water changes, and checking parameters, and keeping a good filtration system. Also, the tankmates in with the rays... just how often do we constintly watch our rays just to see if all the tankmates arent stressing out our rays... OR do we have bigger rays in a tank topping the smaller rays, which could in fact stress a ray out.

There are soooo many things we must watch out for, and we do the best we can. ?Rays are actually hardy and semi easy to care for AS LONG as we do our part to keep them from getting stressed, and watching our ammonia and other parameters..

Sorry if i got alil off the topic, but as i was typing it just kept coming to my mind.

Happy ray keeping!
 
The problem I have with the shippers doing a better job is no matter which way you slice it a ray taking a 15 minute drive in a 5 gallon bucket is way better than a ray taking a 24 hour journey in a gallon or two of water.

I know not everyone has access to a captive born ray of every species but I think that is a goal to strive for if we really care about rays
 
I agree Johno, but IF we don't get wild caught rays in a high quality, and breed them in captivity then the continuous breeding of the same rays will "lessin" the quality of the ray species wouldnt it? You need new wild caught rays to keep the "top notch" look of that particular ray species....or so i think...maybe lol? once again im not a scientist or anything, just my honest thought...
 
This is very true I am lucky to live in an area with several motoro and leo breeders and have access to good quality captive born rays.

It could get confusing trying not to inbreed them.
 
these reasons is what drives me an my wife to start breeding rays. i think if most the rays that people got where cb there would be far less issues. someone new to rays can have there hands full with just keeping a ray as we have all seen. let alone the additional problems that can come from a wild caught. keeping some rays can be very simple but its often very diffrent than keeping normal fish an people can make simple mistakes that kill a ray or stress the ray.

one thing that gets me is lfs that sell a ray with no care sheet or info. i know its all about the money for some, but ya we all need money but the care for these rays is the number one thing i know over the past few years i have seen a huge increase in the demand for rays. an also seen alot more people breeding. i think all us ray lovers can all agree. we see to many rays die, and for most of us 1 is to many lol bc we love them so much. but we all wanna see the best out come for them.

im glad this thread is open again. bc i for one have seen the info on rays here on mfk go from little, an just ideas back in 2005 to what it is now. i have no doubt between all members and ray keepers on here that the knowledge an the care for these rays will get better an better. what is gonna save rays is everyone here. everyone plays a small part, even the noob with a noob ?. i know many people on here have saved rays for many mfk ray owners. i have seen more ray owners come here with hurt, sick rays or just normal ? than any other topic it seems. an i have seen what having everyones opinion here can do. an most ray problems people bring up here are fixed, or the mfk members try every idea they know to help them. can get annoying at times answering same ? but hey its what we all do here that will keep rays going.

sorry for the rant just glad to see the thread open again.
i really feel that MFK is at the forefront to most all the info out there about rays. and with the members here there really is no other place u could learn more.
 
I wonder if there is any link to hyperplasia with prolonged nitrate exposure. I really think that nitrate is so often left to grow and grow, people test with out of date kits and after a few months they assume their regime is fine.

I will look in to an ammonia probe as I have often wondered how long the spike lasts.

When my pearl takes a dump the whole 300 gals can cloud from the waste for a few minutes before the filter cleans it up....next time I will try to monitor the ammonia for a period of time.
 
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