Switched from prime to safe- dead fish
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LOL!
No but there sure is good bit of debate that I've missed out on up til now.
hello; I am not sure where you are located and it may not make any difference. In my area we have been in the worst drought in over a century. Water mains have broken several times and the water gets contaminated during repair. Mostly dirt, but there are many possible unpleasant things in dirt. The water company does extra dosing after these repairs.
There have also been air quality issues in my area from the heavy smoke and additionally before the fires started some, I suspect, not normal conditions related to the drought. For an example during the last five months of our drought some very light rain fell two or three times. Rain so light that very shortly after you could not tell it had rained. For a day or two after each light rain I would have a headache. I suspect the exceptional and not normal dry conditions caused something to be triggered by the light rain.
I am not suggesting these specific conditions are your problem but that it may be time to look beyond the discussion about Safe. The season is changing and conditions are not "normal" for large portions of the USA and other parts of the world.
My question being are there any unusual things going on in your area?
humm,,,, wonder if he got his PHD here.
http://www.realisticdiplomas.com/category.aspx?categoryID=80
http://www.realisticdiplomas.com/category.aspx?categoryID=80
Reading that thread on drip systems....I. Just...wow.Mental note, disregard any advice given by that guy.
I don't know what to believe because many people here disagree with him, but he is an aquaculture professor and he has 720 tanks in his fish house.
He is still just expressing an opinion based on either experience or information as is everyone else who post here. In my opinion information provided by either Seachem or Tetra is likely to have some bias towards their own product. I have been using prime for four years without issue, and still plan on switching to safe. If Seachem products do in fact release NH3 back into the water after a 10-12hr window, it is only relevant in my opinion if it is at a toxic level since I have another mechanism in my tank that does this 24/7. I call that a fish, and my biological filtration needs it to survive. I honestly don't remember doc telling anyone not to use safe or prime, just explaining why he does not. As far as drip systems go, I really don't have an opinion. In each case it is best to form your own opinion based on experience and research.
A local friend of mine not only used a drip system in his fish room (400 gallons per day) he also had one of the most sophisticated set ups I have seen, with some of the most uber expensive fish that one could own. At his peak, approx. 50K worth of fish swam in his tanks at one point. 30K just in black rays, and that was the wholesale cost, I was with him when he brought them in through customs.
Don't you reckon that my friend, and other folks on MFK that keep uber rare and uber expensive fish, own things such as tests for NH3, and pH probes?
This entire conversation is completely asinine. For any non believers, grab a container of tap water, treat with Prime/Safe, and test for yourselves. Your pH will not go up, nor will any free ammonia be released back into your tank.
Doc made some incorrect assumptions, such as Seachem Safe being the exact same chemical make up as ChlorAm-X, they are NOT. Posting links to patents doesn't mean anything. He even falsely assumed that Tetra was referring to Seachem in their patent, they were NOT. They were referring to a different water conditioner altogether! (ChlorAm-X) When I point that out he now says they are the same. Ya, right. My wife and I are the same too, we are both people. lol
The Doc's erroneous assumption that pH goes up, and NH3 is later released, was based on the info supplied in the patent for ChlorAm-X, not Seachem Prime, or Seachem Safe.
The Doc also stated;
"Seachem Prime Does not contain ANY of the same things as Seachem safe!! one is bacterial and one chemical, ignore the nonsense about them containing the same things.."
Doc don't have a clue. One is bacterial? LOL Anyone who has actually used these products (Prime/Safe) clearly understand that both are sulfur based. All one needs to do is pop a cap on a bottle of Prime to understand that - no need for a PhD.
Good Night Irene
Don't you reckon that my friend, and other folks on MFK that keep uber rare and uber expensive fish, own things such as tests for NH3, and pH probes?
This entire conversation is completely asinine. For any non believers, grab a container of tap water, treat with Prime/Safe, and test for yourselves. Your pH will not go up, nor will any free ammonia be released back into your tank.
Doc made some incorrect assumptions, such as Seachem Safe being the exact same chemical make up as ChlorAm-X, they are NOT. Posting links to patents doesn't mean anything. He even falsely assumed that Tetra was referring to Seachem in their patent, they were NOT. They were referring to a different water conditioner altogether! (ChlorAm-X) When I point that out he now says they are the same. Ya, right. My wife and I are the same too, we are both people. lol
The Doc's erroneous assumption that pH goes up, and NH3 is later released, was based on the info supplied in the patent for ChlorAm-X, not Seachem Prime, or Seachem Safe.
The Doc also stated;
"Seachem Prime Does not contain ANY of the same things as Seachem safe!! one is bacterial and one chemical, ignore the nonsense about them containing the same things.."
Doc don't have a clue. One is bacterial? LOL Anyone who has actually used these products (Prime/Safe) clearly understand that both are sulfur based. All one needs to do is pop a cap on a bottle of Prime to understand that - no need for a PhD.
Good Night Irene
