Taiwan Trip 2007 : Woddy Sun 's Ultimate Monster Combo!!

[fugupuff]

I doubt they "spawned" she may have been eggbound and expelled some eggs.


They spawn pacu in ponds, not puddles

probably true, I'd agree with you on this, they die in puddles when the rain dries up. on that movie wolves in the water, I saw these cariba, plecos, dorado, and many more fish dying, helpless. Only the lucky ones make it to the river and breed another year. I guess being in a small tank alive could still be better than turning into fish jerky

 

[Aussienative]

probably true, I'd agree with you on this, they die in puddles when the rain dries up. on that movie wolves in the water, I saw these cariba, plecos, dorado, and many more fish dying, helpless. Only the lucky ones make it to the river and breed another year. I guess being in a small tank alive could still be better than turning into fish jerky

Dude, stop using the extremes of nature to justify this tank! It really is just a BS response...

Yes its better than drying up in a puddle but its still a hell of a lot worse than being in an appropriate size tank!

If you don't have the funds or room for a big tank....don't buy big fish.... seems pretty simple to me.

 

[fugupuff]

Dude, stop using the extremes of nature to justify this tank! It really is just a BS response...

Yes its better than drying up in a puddle but its still a hell of a lot worse than being in an appropriate size tank!

If you don't have the funds or room for a big tank....don't buy big fish.... seems pretty simple to me.

not extreme at all, happens yearly. my response is directed towards people who feel the moral obligation to criticize other's fish keeping/husbandary skills based on their own judgment. yeah, I agree with you 100% if you don't have the means to keep it, then don't do it. If you get a chance to slowly re-read my post and think about it for just a little Cheers mate!

 

[Aussienative]

Re-read this? why?

probably true, I'd agree with you on this, they die in puddles when the rain dries up. on that movie wolves in the water, I saw these cariba, plecos, dorado, and many more fish dying, helpless. Only the lucky ones make it to the river and breed another year. I guess being in a small tank alive could still be better than turning into fish jerky

not extreme at all, happens yearly. my response is directed towards people who feel the moral obligation to criticize other's fish keeping/husbandary skills based on their own judgment. yeah, I agree with you 100% if you don't have the means to keep it, then don't do it. If you get a chance to slowly re-read my post and think about it for just a little Cheers mate!

Don't give me this BS either

I'm going to bed, talk to you tomorrow

 

[cichlaguapote]

I see what everyone including fugupuff is saying. I guess the point is how you look at the situation. Are you confining them to a small space? Or are you feeding them and letting them live a longer life than they would potentially in the wild. Is a fish better in your small tank? Or better in a small tank at the market before becoming dinner? There's a line there and it all depends on how you see it.

Anyone who has seen tanks in asia knows this isn't anything new. They do this all the time because of lack of space over there/love of monsters/too much money. They also grow fish larger than we do over here in much smaller tanks whether it's for water quality, filtration or other reasons.

Do I think this tank is awesome? no. The fish in it are awesome size though and I think that was many peoples point. I agree if you don't have the space don't keep it. I often wonder why people besides johnptc buy pima's but can't change everyone and def. can't change this trend in asia.

 

[Scorponok]

There is no argument that the tank is too small for those fish. Just so that we are not hypocrites, these are wrong as well, right??

 

[Miguel]

If you post a pic of your display tank and have to say its a quarantine/temp/grow out tank, i think deep down you know your set up is wrong.

There are soooo many amazing tanks on this site that are "overstocked" but these tanks are 6',8',10',12ft long and 3',4',6ft wide....with massive filtration.

when your talking about large fish there is a big difference between an "overstocked" 8x4x2 and an overstocked 4'x18"x24" with the same size fish!

Doesn't matter what you say man, you'll never justify that tank.

Couldn't agree more.

 

[Miguel]

There is no argument that the tank is too small for those fish. Just so that we are not hypocrites, these are wrong as well, right??

ABSOLUTELY!

 

[Jesse]

When I saw the pictures of Woody Sun's tank, my first thought was, "OMG, a literal tempest in a teapot!" Of course, that expression refers to a small event that has been exaggerated out of proportion, but, in this context, I was thinking of the big waves of current created by those three large fish in that relatively small tank.

 

[fugupuff]

ABSOLUTELY!

many species of bettas occur naturally in little puddles, rice paddies, in wet depressed buffalo tracks, did you know that.

i just like to explore the minds of people and stimulate them to think outside the box. We, "Americans" are very fortunate to live in this country, one of the best countries in the world, honestly, free of war on our own land, plenty of land space to have homes and fish as we want, but often become ethnocentric, and not able to see things from another perspective.

Fish keeping itself is often a selfish motive, self gratification, we want the feeling of accomplishment, overcoming the challenges of keeping a "rare fish", a "leviathan" in our confinement. But the fingers cannot begin to point in any direction without looking at ourselves. Like a previous post mentioned, what are people with a tank less than Johnptc's doing with an arapaima, or nile perch, redtail cat, alligator gar, goliath tiger fish, and the list goes on.

What we provide in this country is far better than what the do in some other countries, but just as well, we have more opportunities for larger homes, land, tanks. In some countries people can't afford a 5000 gallon tank, but still want the "amusement" of having a fish tank, is that necesarrily wrong? Is it far worse than us hunting for sports? How about fishing for catch and release? We, americans hunted the bison's to near extinction at one point.
On the flip side, many asian countries that keep fish in small tanks, are the ones breeding and producing the most tropical fish in the world.
FYI: Many of us like to buy that "rare fish", why is it rare, most are wild caught, and some are not commonly seen, rare in the wild even. If all the people with a moral issue, should probably limit themselves to captive bred specimens only. Like arapaimas, even though they are imported with CITES permits, most are still taken from the wild, I've spoken to a few field researchers and they concur.

Well, if I write too much, many of you will just take my words out of context and mis-quote me, so I'll end here. Reading does take some time, concentration and comprehension ability.

Ethical or not, is not our place to point fingers honestly, unless you don't eat meat, don't keep pets, dont' use any animal products.