taking things in a different direction with drop eyes newest theory.

[demjor19]

my 8" silver just recently started slamming her head like crazy! no de yet...but lets see what comes of it. i will keep a close eye on her.
no pun intended.

 

[cichlaguapote]

Anyone think it's an infection of something behind the eye due to low immunity due to how/what water they're bred in or other cause? (<--- my new theory)

I just don't believe it's a head trauma issue as blue arows never get it. Obviously asian arows can get it. But blue/black whatever you want to call them never seem to get them.

 

[Miguel]

Anyone think it's an infection of something behind the eye due to low immunity due to how/what water they're bred in or other cause? (<--- my new theory)

I just don't believe it's a head trauma issue as blue arows never get it. Obviously asian arows can get it. But blue/black whatever you want to call them never seem to get them.

neither , I believe, Aussies...

I am, currently, out of theories.....

 

[AwolAngler]

To me it just doesn't seem like such a mystery, I don't get why everyone is so dumb founded.... Delgado you say "we know very little about the inner workings of an aros eye..." Ok who is "we." Many of us have seen the videos on youtube of some asians peforming surgery and curing an asian aro of de. So obviosly someone understands the problem because they fixed it, preventing it is a different story... But lets look into what they did... They are cutting away excess muscle from above the eye... These are the muscles that help the aro look down. The eye is not swollen and it's not a liquid sack. Simply enlarged muscles above the eye causing an unbalance. Lets look at this from a weight lifters point of view(yes I weight train) any muscle can be trained to become larger and stronger including the iris... So why can't drop eye simply be the over working of the upper eye muscles that are used to point the eye down until the eye is so unbalanced it gets left in this position. In the wild silvers are constantly looking up into branches above the water for isects and small mammals to jump for... So unless are aros are having a reason so look up beyond the water's surface our aros are not exercising the muscles needed to look up as they would in the wild also leading to an imbalance in the eye muscles. Also if you have other tank mates with your aros in such a small quarters like a tank (yes a 300 gallon tank is still tiny compared to their natural habitat) they always have to keep a watchful eye on them yet again working those muscles that look down (especially bottom dwellers.) Oh I don't have tank mates you say? Well what about you? When you or any other trafic is in the room they often keep a watchful eye on us... Also do you feed them feeders or foods that sink? All things that are working their upper eye muscles (to look down) and not nearly enough staring up(as they would in the wild) causing a major imbalance.... What is the big debate? Just my thoughts.... But I do feel pretty strong about them....

 

[demjor19]

they get it in the wild too.
chew on that...

 

[ethnics]

if they get it in the wild. then whats the debate about? its some what natural. i think it helps them over all so they get an overview of above, and below. if they are always looking up in the wild, they could easily get attacked from predators from below.

again, jus my thoughts.

 

[meiling]

OMG! Just when I thought.....never mind. This time the debate is making more valid observations than I've ever seen before. I think it's simply because we're all not getting our feeling hurt and looking at it scientificially. I like what everyone theorizes.

Gr8Karma-yes, I imagine why in some, (IF)would be the severity of impact. Maybe something is broken down or snaps.
I don't know really anything about it other than personal experience or what we discuss, but I did notice mine get better the first time. After the first whack, the swelling reduced and it was almost back to normal before he did it again, worse. In the wild, he wouldn't have whacked his head on the piece or rock in the bottom of the tank. (For No Reason!)
In Fu, it doesn't look too bad. Some I've seen are kinda like "eeeek, quit lookin at me with that thing!"

Does their vision change??????
IMO YES his behavior drastically changed, he acted terrified when that side was on watch. He couldn't see me as well, couldn't catch or see floating food with that eye, on his next pass by in the other direction, the normal eye saw me, the food, etc.

 

[cichlaguapote]

they get it in the wild too.
chew on that...

No evidence to support it.

if they get it in the wild. then whats the debate about? its some what natural. i think it helps them over all so they get an overview of above, and below. if they are always looking up in the wild, they could easily get attacked from predators from below.

again, jus my thoughts.

You never proved that. Delgado proved your theory wrong in the other thread. As you were going by pictures you thought were DE but were the fish looking down.

Until there is a study on DE occuring in silver arows in their normal habitat we can never be sure but you have no evidence to support it happens in the wild.

Not flaming, just debating. Let's keep this calm and collect.

It's kinda weird but it seems like some people with silvers with DE don't want to believe it might not happen in the wild.

 

[demjor19]

if they get it in the wild. then whats the debate about? its some what natural. i think it helps them over all so they get an overview of above, and below. if they are always looking up in the wild, they could easily get attacked from predators from below.

again, jus my thoughts.

i guess if you think about it...why couldnt they hit their head in the wild? rocks, tree limbs, etc...it could easily happen.

 

[ethnics]

cichlaguapote, when was i proved wrong? ur statement doesn't make sense. i said i think they get it in the wild. you said "some people seem to think aros in the wild dont get it". where was i proved wrong? pics that i thought were DE, delgado explained it was just a fish on its side. i wasnt PROVED wrong as there was no evidence or proof to be proved wrong. a fish on its side looks down... okay cool he proved that. but he couldn't prove that if the fish was turned upwards, whos to say it doesn't have DE? its not my pic so i can't prove it does, but he can't prove it doesnt. it was again my opinion vs his. as is ALL topics about DE.

what makes you think aros in the wild DONT get it? whats u rproof or evidence that they dont? i can't show proof that they do, but you can't show proof that they dont?

dont shoot me down n tell me i was proved wrong when none of us are proved wrong. everything we talk about as far as DE goes is just theory or opinion. no proof, no evidence, no scientific experiement. NOTHING...