as far as wild aros dont get drop eye because of more room, i may have to agree because there is a 20"+ silver at the Big Als in south florida that has no dropeye at all. It is in a huge tank thousands of gallons with more then enough room to swim.
taking things in a different direction with drop eyes newest theory.
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Sorry I know that last post might have sounded a tad ignorant but what I ment is someone may be able to find lets say 5 pics of wild aros with out drop eye and you could say so... That's only 5 aros, what about all the otheres, there are plenty that still get it. But it would be impossible for anyone to get a pic of every wild aro to PROVE you wrong. On the other hand you would only need to provide us with 1 or 2 100% wild aros with drop eye to prove your self right! So this is why your side is the one who has the proving to do.... And again I will only believie 100% wild aros in their own environment, under water....
but my point is. we see tons of aros with DE every day. its like hitting the lottery when you find one without it. you guys rarely find home kept aros without it, but seem to think so hard the wild aros dont have it. what leads you to think it doesn't? forcing everyone else to think when it happens in tanks that there's something wrong.
jus cuz there not born with it, everyones thinks it aint supposed to happen.
what evidence does anyone have that leads this whole forum to think wild aros DONT get it? thats all im wondering.
jus cuz there not born with it, everyones thinks it aint supposed to happen.
what evidence does anyone have that leads this whole forum to think wild aros DONT get it? thats all im wondering.
well, these are all wild aros. Honestly, I've studied this video closely, and I have to say based on this group of wild aros that none of them have DE. They look to be around 18" to 26" in length, so they are on the younger side of things and it may just be that it hasn't developed yet. I'll snap a bunch more shots of them tonight and post them up. Also, the one in my avatar is a wild, and while it looks like it has DE, the preceeding video showing it preparing to jump shows that it doesn't. It's just looking down during the jump preparing for landing.
Well it's simple really.... A. they are not born like that. B. I have seen pics of large aros with out it. C. They seem to get it at all different times, so it's not like a perfictley timed metamorphasis like a flounder. And finnally D. All you need to do is show us one or 2 under water shots of wild aros with it, and I have yet to see them, and there are way to many people running their mouths saying that wild aros DO get it when no one has shown any proof... I neve said THEY DO NOT get it. I simply said I don't BELIEVE they do. And until proven other wise I will continue to believe this....
ethnics;902747; said:
But if it was supposed to have it then every arow you saw would have it. So I don't think "it's supposed to" is a good answer to the issue. It doesn't exist in blacks and if it did not to the extent of what it is in silvers. Difference between the two? Besides residing in different areas, one we get w/c and others we get c/b most of the time.
I don't think "its supposed to happen" because it doesn't make sense as a evolutionary trait. It would be more beneficial for the arow to have it from a young age rather than obtaining it when it's larger. Of course there are predators either way but 6" arow would need it more than the larger. And of course the mention of some that don't seem to have it at larger sizes. Although evolution is much a mystery and maybe we're witnessing evolution happen you say? Possibly but I'd like to disprove the other myths before I say it's something that's supposed to happen.
I think the idea of it being a fluid filled sac/torn muscle/bacteria infection/diet issue/whatever else explainable cause are more probable than just saying it's an evolutionary trait. Or it's supposed to be there in some way.
Again take nothing of this personal. But if we just took "it's supposed to" then we wouldn't explore this any longer and perhaps find the trait/trigger/issue that causes DE.
you blew "supposed to" out of purportion... i didn't say its supposed to happen. i said most people act as if it is not supposed to happen. two different terminologies.
i dont even know what to really think of as far as DE goes... none of us are scientist. we dont study arowanas from age 1month to 20yrs of age on a day to day basis. none of us have a 200kgallon pond with 10k aros in it then go catch some n see who has some n who doesn't. we jus sit on a forum, and blab away at what we think it is that causes it.
while we argue/debate about it... our aros swim gracefully in our tanks just living life with or without DE. does it bother them that they have it? who knows. 100+yrs of arowanas in aquariums and were still sitting here guessing what causes it lol
i dont even know what to really think of as far as DE goes... none of us are scientist. we dont study arowanas from age 1month to 20yrs of age on a day to day basis. none of us have a 200kgallon pond with 10k aros in it then go catch some n see who has some n who doesn't. we jus sit on a forum, and blab away at what we think it is that causes it.
while we argue/debate about it... our aros swim gracefully in our tanks just living life with or without DE. does it bother them that they have it? who knows. 100+yrs of arowanas in aquariums and were still sitting here guessing what causes it lol
wizzin;902764; said:well, these are all wild aros. Honestly, I've studied this video closely, and I have to say based on this group of wild aros that none of them have DE. They look to be around 18" to 26" in length, so they are on the younger side of things and it may just be that it hasn't developed yet. I'll snap a bunch more shots of them tonight and post them up. Also, the one in my avatar is a wild, and while it looks like it has DE, the preceeding video showing it preparing to jump shows that it doesn't. It's just looking down during the jump preparing for landing.
Wizzin, what you should do is give us a link to what must be an amazing video!!!PLEASE!!
you are right i have mainly kept asian aros but i have had 2 x black aros which i know dont realy count but i didt keep a black aro for 7yrs+ and at no point did it have drop eye
i looked after a silver for a freind that was 16inch for about 6 months years ago and that didnt have any drop eye
most people say that jars dont get drop eye but i have seen a 2ft jar with worse drop eye than i have ever seen on any silver aro
it chould have somthing to do with the salt content in the foods that most people feed their aros (prawn shrimp cockle mussel krill) mybe black and jars are not affected as much as the silver aro with salt content
their is not much you can do about drop eye its a risk you take with silver aros the risk is always their with other aros but its not as high as with other aros
every other aro i have kept was also in a tank with 3 blacked out sides but the aro i just sold was grown up in a normal tank with just the back glass blacked out so i dont think it matters how much refection comes of the tank glass
i have also always kept my temp high at 86 not at the 80 most people keep their tanks at
i have always had lots of water movment compaired to most tanks
i dont know what has worked for my aros but i have never had any drop eye so wont change anything mentioned above just to be safe
i looked after a silver for a freind that was 16inch for about 6 months years ago and that didnt have any drop eye
most people say that jars dont get drop eye but i have seen a 2ft jar with worse drop eye than i have ever seen on any silver aro
it chould have somthing to do with the salt content in the foods that most people feed their aros (prawn shrimp cockle mussel krill) mybe black and jars are not affected as much as the silver aro with salt content
their is not much you can do about drop eye its a risk you take with silver aros the risk is always their with other aros but its not as high as with other aros
every other aro i have kept was also in a tank with 3 blacked out sides but the aro i just sold was grown up in a normal tank with just the back glass blacked out so i dont think it matters how much refection comes of the tank glass
i have also always kept my temp high at 86 not at the 80 most people keep their tanks at
i have always had lots of water movment compaired to most tanks
i dont know what has worked for my aros but i have never had any drop eye so wont change anything mentioned above just to be safe
