taking things in a different direction with drop eyes newest theory.

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ethnics;902530; said:
if they get it in the wild. then whats the debate about?
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That would lead someone to believe reading this statement that arows get de in the wild. Now there are other people saying "it happens in the wild" and really there's no proof of that. I guess my pet peeve is you worded it in a way that will lead noobs to believe it's true they get it in the wild when there's no study on it. Thus starts the passing on of wrong/non-proved info.




ethnics;902588; said:
cichlaguapote, when was i proved wrong? ur statement doesn't make sense. i said i think they get it in the wild. you said "some people seem to think aros in the wild dont get it". where was i proved wrong? pics that i thought were DE, delgado explained it was just a fish on its side. i wasnt PROVED wrong as there was no evidence or proof to be proved wrong. a fish on its side looks down... okay cool he proved that. but he couldn't prove that if the fish was turned upwards, whos to say it doesn't have DE? its not my pic so i can't prove it does, but he can't prove it doesnt. it was again my opinion vs his. as is ALL topics about DE.

what makes you think aros in the wild DONT get it? whats u rproof or evidence that they dont? i can't show proof that they do, but you can't show proof that they dont?

dont shoot me down n tell me i was proved wrong when none of us are proved wrong. everything we talk about as far as DE goes is just theory or opinion. no proof, no evidence, no scientific experiement. NOTHING...
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Wasn't shooting you down. You were't "proved wrong" but the one picture you based your proof that wild arows get DE on was denounced in a way because if you compared it to the other fish on their side you'd have to say oscars and others have drop eye. Let's put it that way.

There is no proof either way. I agreed on that. Again not putting you down. Just debating your theory

I guess I'm trying to get everyone that believes silvers get drop eye in the wild to put it in more theoretical way rather than putting it blunt like it's gosphel and it getting spread around.
 
I'm not saying they don't get it in the wild but until someone shows me under-water shots of a wild aro in it's natural habitat with de then I won't fully believe they do. No jumping photos no fish on their sides backs or even stomachs... In the water in the wild! Oh videos are fine too....
 
maybe its an evovolution thing aros are evoloving to look down for food :D

i have never had any aro with drop eye yet i have always kept my aros with rays and other tank mates

i have never let any of my aros take food from the tank base just feed 1 meal worm at a time the aro eats it as soon as it hits the water

i have always fed insects like meal worms ar locusts

i have never kept any aro in a bare bottom tank

never had drop eye on any aro in close to the 20yrs i have been keeping aros so wont even think about things that cause drop eye until i have an aro that has this problem
 
t1karmann, you keep asians.

i guess the only thing im pushing for is, if you guys can't believe in the wild they DO have it jus cuz noone can prove they do, why can't anyone think they do have it since noone can prove they DONT? it should kinda go both ways.
 
T1KARMANN;902627; said:
maybe its an evovolution thing aros are evoloving to look down for food :D

i have never had any aro with drop eye yet i have always kept my aros with rays and other tank mates

i have never let any of my aros take food from the tank base just feed 1 meal worm at a time the aro eats it as soon as it hits the water

i have always fed insects like meal worms ar locusts

i have never kept any aro in a bare bottom tank

never had drop eye on any aro in close to the 20yrs i have been keeping aros so wont even think about things that cause drop eye until i have an aro that has this problem
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Great info T1, can you tell us if you've kept any silver arows? And if so how big were they?

Thanks. Might be good just for general info for people who wish to try and keep an arow from getting DE.
 
csx4236;902646; said:
New research shows that drop eye is caused by a bacteria in the back of the eye. I will try and get the info i was reading other day and post.
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So my earlier theory in this thread of it being an infection of sorts might be right..:)

I'd love hardcore evidence, and possible causes.
 
this is all great info. it seems we are making better progress this time.
i was going to ask T1 the same thing. for some reason i recall reading that you have kept all asians. i may be mistaken though.
 
Csx I do believe you are mixing up drop eye and pop eye, they are two totally different things.... Any fish can get pop eye aros are the only fish eye know of that get drop eye.... Again look at those videos on you tube IT IS ENLARGED MUSCLES, I'm at work on my phone so I can't get those links for you right now... But they have been posted here a few times...
And ethnics we have nothing to prove if we don't believe something is true you are the ones who need to prove to us that what you believe is true... If you can not then it will be left un proven and we can go along believing we are right...
 
AwolAngler;902699; said:
ethnics we have nothing to prove if we don't believe something is true you are the ones who need to prove to us that what you believe is true... If you can not then it will be left un proven and we can go along believing we are right...
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if thats the way u wanna put it, then ill believe that wild aros get DE as well til you can prove to me they dont.

cuz at this point:

i can't physically prove they do have it.

you can't physically prove they do not have it.
 
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