talk about OVERSTOCKING!

[sandtiger]

Has the thought that the fish you once purchased was being kept in a small aquarium at the LFS with barely any room to move ever cross your mind? I know a huge red devil that has been sitting in his tank at the LFS for over a year.

Has it ever crossed your mind that the aquariums in a fish store aren't permenent setups for the fish? The fish aren't supposed to be there long. They are typically shipped in and sold within a matter of days. Not to mention the fact that most fish stores have one gigantic filtration units capabile of handling the waste produced by their fish.

You people complain all day about tank size, yet I know if I purchased that RD he would be a lot happier in my so called small 55g then what he is currently in. Not everyone has the money or room to have a 300 gallon tank in their apartment living room.

Nothing wrong with keeping an RD in a 55g IF you can keep up with the constant water changed needed to keep the tank clean. Water quality is the number one reason why you need to be cautious about overstocking.

I have a newly purchased 1 1/2" Midas and a 6" Buttikoferi seperated in a 55 currently and my Buttikoferi is in perfect condition and always happen to see me. I hand feed him krill, pellets, crawdads, and an occasional feeder.

Anyone can take care of a 1.5" and 6" fish in a 55g. Did you forget that both can reach over 12" in length and are among the most aggresive fish commonly sold?

Seriously as long as the fish is in good health that is all that matters because no matter what size tank you get at home you are not going to mimic his natural environment.

Good health? What do you think good health is caused by? Water quality, water quality is everything in fishkeeping. You cannot keep fish healthy onless you keep water healthy. The more fish you have the more difficult it is and despite what you may think filtration won't cut it. Filtration holds ammonia and nitrite converting bacteria and also sucks up waste but that is it. Filtraton in most cases does not remove unseen toxins and it does not convert the end result of the nitrogen cycle (nitrates). The tank size matters a lot but the reason it matters most is because you must be able to keep up with the water quality.

 

[balton777]

Picking a fight with Mod's is not "bad" per se; they also like their argument.
This place would be worth nothing if arguing with Mods was "forbidden ground".

What is stupid is, simply put, to pick fights at all in an internet forum and be agressive.

Re-read what I said. I didn't say arguing/debating with a mod is bad when there's a difference of opinion. I said making PERSONAL ATTACKS on a Mod is not a good idea. There's quite a difference.


Oh I would like to go on record as being a non-Japanese style tank keeper. I like to give my fish their own space and territories because they act more natural that way...the way they would in the wild (even though I know I can't give them that kind of space).

 

[sandtiger]

Oh I would like to go on record as being a non-Japanese style tank keeper. I like to give my fish their own space and territories because they act more natural that way...the way they would in the wild (even though I know I can't give them that kind of space).

I agree. I cannot see a point in having a living thing and forcing in to act unnatural. We're all aware that aquariums don't represent wild ecosystems all that well but we at least try. I fail to see the point in keeping a blank tank overstocked with fish swimming back and forth. Kinda defeats the purpose IMO of keeping a living thing, might as well just get one of those fish screen savers.

 

[ewurm]

I cleaned this up a bit. Keep flaming to a minimum please.

 

[Dovii dude]

Well weither its wrong or right,its the person who made the video's tank and he can be as irresponsible as he wants.

 

[Pnoiz1]

Every time the camera turned...I swear I saw a different fish.

 

[jaws19]

holy crap this guy has a plan for disaster he has a RD, jaguar, tiger oscar, albino oscar, 2 flowerhorn, 1 gigantic pleco, and a huge pacu . which to me is way overcrowded, them fish must fight constantly. sucks for him

hahahahahaha true... dude you gotta get rid of the jaguar oscar and pleco, plus the pacu

 

[andrew88]

Yeah the fish look healthy. but still to many in that tank

 

[Murko]

Has it ever crossed your mind that the aquariums in a fish store aren't permenent setups for the fish? The fish aren't supposed to be there long. They are typically shipped in and sold within a matter of days. Not to mention the fact that most fish stores have one gigantic filtration units capabile of handling the waste produced by their fish.

i am completely aware of that, but at the LFS I go to there are several large fish that have been in the same tanks for a year and the majority of them look in good health. They probably aren't happy, but they are healthy.

Nothing wrong with keeping an RD in a 55g IF you can keep up with the constant water changed needed to keep the tank clean. Water quality is the number one reason why you need to be cautious about overstocking.

Anyone can take care of a 1.5" and 6" fish in a 55g. Did you forget that both can reach over 12" in length and are among the most aggresive fish commonly sold?

I am running a canister filter and a bio-wheel doing 1 50-70% water change a week. Besides the algae growth my water is pristine. Yes I know they are aggressive and thats why I have them, if I wanted a pacifist fish I would have purchased some goldfish and called it a day. I also do not plan on keeping the fish forever because I simply cannot. I am in the military meaning once I move, the fish are going to have to go one way or another and until that time I like to have something nice to look at in my living room.

Good health? What do you think good health is caused by? Water quality, water quality is everything in fishkeeping. You cannot keep fish healthy onless you keep water healthy. The more fish you have the more difficult it is and despite what you may think filtration won't cut it. Filtration holds ammonia and nitrite converting bacteria and also sucks up waste but that is it. Filtraton in most cases does not remove unseen toxins and it does not convert the end result of the nitrogen cycle (nitrates). The tank size matters a lot but the reason it matters most is because you must be able to keep up with the water quality.

Never said anything about good filtering equals good health, you are obviously quoting someone else. I check the parameters every time I do water changes and everything is good. I appreciate your incite, but I already knew everything you said. I am still new to this hobby, but I am not an idiot.

 

[Nova 8]

The fish are healthy and they have room to swim around, whats wrong with that. So the two oscars don't have a 125 to themselves, big deal. I bet alot of people who complain about these "overstocked" tank don't have fish as healthy as the fish in the overstocked tanks.