Sorry for the lost of your Aro. Time to get a new Aro! Hehehehe. Just keep a close eye on your FH...
Thai Silk has fungus maybe?
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thanks for the kind words, brethren. i do definitely plan to get a new jar once season comes around...i dont wanan end up paying a lot for it. but then again...its my crown jewel fish to my collection..so its definitely worth it.
i guess we'll see
i dont like having large empty tanks.
i guess we'll see
i dont like having large empty tanks.theunytedone;4431712; said:
Pics would really help.. Not to sound rude, but how would you feel if we did agree and it turns out your fish had a completely different disease? I'm not going to agree with what your fish has until I see pics..
As for what you should do.. If you really think it is fungus, you should do a big water change (50% or larger) and start whatever treatment you feel is right. (Salt or w/e meds you wanna use) Best of luck for your fish.
more than 50% waterchange can cause your tank to cycle again, smaller more frequent changes are a better way to go..
to me this sounds like either fungus, or a similar thing my friends fish had, he treated many ways but it never cleared, but it also never harmed his fish, just has tiny spots on its fin that never cleared..
to me this sounds like either fungus, or a similar thing my friends fish had, he treated many ways but it never cleared, but it also never harmed his fish, just has tiny spots on its fin that never cleared..
In an established tank, with established bio filters, 90% water changes will not cause ones tank to cycle.
To the OP ........ I agree with the others, I hate taking shots in the dark sans photos.
I strongly disagree, as i have seen this problem occur many times before..
BB will die off as a result of changing too much water, as you deplete the nutrient supply that are needed for the BB in your filter to survive (amoungst other things), thus causing a cycle as the BB colonies in the tank try to stabilize and grow back to the optimum levels..
BB will die off as a result of changing too much water, as you deplete the nutrient supply that are needed for the BB in your filter to survive (amoungst other things), thus causing a cycle as the BB colonies in the tank try to stabilize and grow back to the optimum levels..
That doesn't even make any sense. Bacteria doesn't die off during the time that it takes to perform a water change, and fish are constantly producing nutrients (NH3) to feed that bacteria. Actually with chloramine treated tap water, a large water change introduces a significant amount of NH3 (as the chlorine/ammonia bond is broken) which gives the filters a surge of nutrients.
Discus breeders routinely change out 80-90% of their water, often on a daily basis. Hopefully this vid doesn't shock you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQzZHwnO3I4
Plenty of clean fresh water is as much of a key to good health & optimum growth in a fish, as a high quality diet is. I routinely perform 60% water changes in my FH tanks, as I have with countless other species of fish that I have kept in the past. Never once had a problem, and I've been doing this for a few odd years.
Discus breeders routinely change out 80-90% of their water, often on a daily basis. Hopefully this vid doesn't shock you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQzZHwnO3I4
Plenty of clean fresh water is as much of a key to good health & optimum growth in a fish, as a high quality diet is. I routinely perform 60% water changes in my FH tanks, as I have with countless other species of fish that I have kept in the past. Never once had a problem, and I've been doing this for a few odd years.
That is scary!
Surely they wouldnt do that to all tanks that are run off that system in 1 day..
I'm sure a few tanks on that system would only equate to a small % of water the overall system..?
Also i wasnt saying the BB dies within the time you do a big waterchange, more as a result..
Fresh water is of course good, but smaller waterchanges wont cause big fluctuations in water parameters..
For those of us that have been in the industry many years, we have the know how to avoid such things, but should assume everyone does when giving advice..
(Noone has even asked about normal water params, filtration system, maintenance routine etc)
I tend to err on the side of caution when giving advice, and be very specific if there is any chance of problems occuring..
I don't doubt you have done this in the past without problems, as i have done big changes myself without problems..
But i have also seen bad results and the loss of a lot of expensive fish..
This IS a possibility as i have seen it many many times and had to help to rectify this problem more times than i would have liked to..
Im sure you have your reasons for your beliefs as i do mine..
and i think i would be flogging a dead horse so to speak trying to get you to understand even though i only made my original statement to warn the OP as i'm basing my advice on FACTS and experiences..
"There's no such thing as civil disagreement, when the ultimate shame is to change one's opinion."
Looks like we both have our own opinions, as learnt through our own experiences,
So we should just leave it at that ?, as it wont help the OP to say much more..
Surely they wouldnt do that to all tanks that are run off that system in 1 day..
I'm sure a few tanks on that system would only equate to a small % of water the overall system..?
Also i wasnt saying the BB dies within the time you do a big waterchange, more as a result..
Fresh water is of course good, but smaller waterchanges wont cause big fluctuations in water parameters..
For those of us that have been in the industry many years, we have the know how to avoid such things, but should assume everyone does when giving advice..
(Noone has even asked about normal water params, filtration system, maintenance routine etc)
I tend to err on the side of caution when giving advice, and be very specific if there is any chance of problems occuring..
I don't doubt you have done this in the past without problems, as i have done big changes myself without problems..
But i have also seen bad results and the loss of a lot of expensive fish..
This IS a possibility as i have seen it many many times and had to help to rectify this problem more times than i would have liked to..
Im sure you have your reasons for your beliefs as i do mine..
and i think i would be flogging a dead horse so to speak trying to get you to understand even though i only made my original statement to warn the OP as i'm basing my advice on FACTS and experiences..
"There's no such thing as civil disagreement, when the ultimate shame is to change one's opinion."
Looks like we both have our own opinions, as learnt through our own experiences,
So we should just leave it at that ?, as it wont help the OP to say much more..
I never suggested that there wasn't some good sound reasoning behind doing smaller water changes under certain conditions, I was simply addressing your comment about large water changes killing off a tanks bio-filtration.
The simple fact is, the above statement isn't true.
In some breeders set ups, this can take place twice a day. (another vid that will probably shock you)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWMnPZKJWaE
I would love to assist the OP further, but with the info supplied, and lacking photos (actual fungus is often confused with flexibacteria) it's rather difficult to add much more to this discussion that hasn't already been said. If this does turn out to be an actual case of fungus, perhaps this will help. http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/vm033
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The simple fact is, the above statement isn't true.
In some breeders set ups, this can take place twice a day. (another vid that will probably shock you)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWMnPZKJWaE
I would love to assist the OP further, but with the info supplied, and lacking photos (actual fungus is often confused with flexibacteria) it's rather difficult to add much more to this discussion that hasn't already been said. If this does turn out to be an actual case of fungus, perhaps this will help. http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/vm033
.
Wow, that is another scary Vid, the water they add back to the tanks must be aged surely?
Still scary anyway lol..
Maybe i should rephrase what i said... for now..
"BB can die off as a result of changing too much water, for many reasons if not careful.."
I'm no linguist, nor am i good at explaining things, so what i will do is PM you, RD once i find something or someone that can explain what i was trying to say..
Still scary anyway lol..
Maybe i should rephrase what i said... for now..
"BB can die off as a result of changing too much water, for many reasons if not careful.."
I'm no linguist, nor am i good at explaining things, so what i will do is PM you, RD once i find something or someone that can explain what i was trying to say..
