yes....this would work. Unfortunately 4 species have been banned because our elected officials wouldn't think a suggestion like this through. Typical washington......
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yes....this would work. Unfortunately 4 species have been banned because our elected officials wouldn't think a suggestion like this through. Typical washington......
Based on the current permit systems that are out there for other groups of animals, a permit system for large snakes has a 50/50 chance of working. The main problem is that some states have these permit systems in place yet do not issue the permits to interested parties that are qualified; the permit system is in place to say that you can get a permit if certain criteria are met yet when those criteria are met you are unable to get the permit for some B.S. reason. On the other hand, there are some states that do readily issue permits to qualified individuals, and things appear to have worked out quite nicely for them. Florida is a good example of a state that readily issues permits to qualified individuals when it comes to regulated animals (at least for venomous reptiles from what I can tell). I personally am against any form of permit system for these animals because of the fact that it would most likely be used against us keepers later on down the line and the permits probably would never get issued properly in the first place.
As others have said before, this is an issue dealing with the state of Florida and other warm states, and there is zero need for a national ban on the interstate transportation of these snakes. If anything, they should be regulated via permits in Florida as they currently are and a bounty system could be put in place; python skin items such as handbags are pretty expensive, so I would think that money would be a good enough motivator for people to hunt the introduced populations until they're gone.
As others have said before, this is an issue dealing with the state of Florida and other warm states, and there is zero need for a national ban on the interstate transportation of these snakes. If anything, they should be regulated via permits in Florida as they currently are and a bounty system could be put in place; python skin items such as handbags are pretty expensive, so I would think that money would be a good enough motivator for people to hunt the introduced populations until they're gone.
Start breeding your snakes guys so we can grandfather these guys down to our kids... am trying to get every reptile I want before any more bans...
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Its been interesting to see how various forums have discussed this ban. The thing I've noticed is missing from the discussions here is...
A federal agency decided that they wanted to pass a law. Not Congress, not the President. A Federal Agency. The non-elected government employees found a loophole that allows them to pass a ban of the interstate transfer of animals with the force of law that requires no due process, no judicial review. The downside for the agency was that they could only create bans with monetary impacts under a certain dollar figure. They wanted to ban 9 snakes, but it turned out that the market for all 9 was too big. So, they picked 4. In a couple months the next 5 will follow. Other large snakes like boas are likely to go on the block. Iguanas and certain chameleon species have healthy feral populations, they'll probably be banned as well.
And then... think the pit bull market is large enough to escape a ban? How about all the other "dangerous" dog breeds that cause your homeowners' insurance rates to be high, like dobermans, german shepherds, belgian malinois, akita, chow, rottweilers, etc? Most dogs are probably safe, but it could become a felony to take fido across state lines in the near future because, and let's face it, banning "bully breeds" is progress in the "right direction". (to clarify, there's some sarcasm in there)
An all-out ban of all pet ownership is highly unlikely, but it is highly probable that if this "python ban" is allowed to stand then we will probably lose the right to the interstate transfer of animals that cannot be humanely kept in an average apartment-style dwelling. Want a fish that requires a 100 gallon tank? Better hope there's a breeder in YOUR state or you're SOL. It isn't going to be about the actual banning of ownership of animals, it is going to be about restricting the movement of animals from state-to-state such that certain species will be completely unavailable in some states. Pet owners really need to band together against this type of pseudo-legislative action. I have never owned a snake larger than a corn snake and have never had a desire to own any of the snakes likely to be banned. Despite that, I still don't support the ban.
A federal agency decided that they wanted to pass a law. Not Congress, not the President. A Federal Agency. The non-elected government employees found a loophole that allows them to pass a ban of the interstate transfer of animals with the force of law that requires no due process, no judicial review. The downside for the agency was that they could only create bans with monetary impacts under a certain dollar figure. They wanted to ban 9 snakes, but it turned out that the market for all 9 was too big. So, they picked 4. In a couple months the next 5 will follow. Other large snakes like boas are likely to go on the block. Iguanas and certain chameleon species have healthy feral populations, they'll probably be banned as well.
And then... think the pit bull market is large enough to escape a ban? How about all the other "dangerous" dog breeds that cause your homeowners' insurance rates to be high, like dobermans, german shepherds, belgian malinois, akita, chow, rottweilers, etc? Most dogs are probably safe, but it could become a felony to take fido across state lines in the near future because, and let's face it, banning "bully breeds" is progress in the "right direction". (to clarify, there's some sarcasm in there)
An all-out ban of all pet ownership is highly unlikely, but it is highly probable that if this "python ban" is allowed to stand then we will probably lose the right to the interstate transfer of animals that cannot be humanely kept in an average apartment-style dwelling. Want a fish that requires a 100 gallon tank? Better hope there's a breeder in YOUR state or you're SOL. It isn't going to be about the actual banning of ownership of animals, it is going to be about restricting the movement of animals from state-to-state such that certain species will be completely unavailable in some states. Pet owners really need to band together against this type of pseudo-legislative action. I have never owned a snake larger than a corn snake and have never had a desire to own any of the snakes likely to be banned. Despite that, I still don't support the ban.
Interesting, I didn't know that there was a limit on how many livelihoods they could ruin; it's "great" to know that there are "acceptable" losses that these politicians can get away with. Stuff like this just makes me all the more happier about my choice for voting in the GOP primary when it rolls around for my state; I'd rather this be a state's issue than a federal one if that gives anyone a clue as to where my allegiance lies. It's obvious that the ban is completely unwarranted because the pythons are illegal to own without a permit in almost all, if not all, of the states that they could potentially survive in; this ban is just another example of how to buy your way to your desired end goal (in this case HSUS ending pets one group at a time).
Seems like two of the books I had to read for Honors English 12 in high school are coming true; sounds to me like both Huxley and Orwell were correct about the future.
If you all truly care about this, and it sounds like you do, its better to form a huge force to be reckoned with by numbers than be scattered all over different reptile sites. Join groups like this, toss in a few bucks donation, or not, but read and sign and write letters in floods through these guys.
Im telling you its going to make a bigger impact if we are organized and can pack in the numbers.
Join in a few easy steps their email list, you will get emails on all the bans or the ones coming up with a threat.
Ive got lazy on this but seeing some of you still have balls to raise your voices here, got me off my as,s again to at least send some of you to USARK if anything.
Do it please, and if you can think of other groups then fine, but these guys hit all the reptile shows and do quite a bit so I would stick to them, again, we need to form the biggest single group as we can. Do it.
http://www.usark.org/
Im telling you its going to make a bigger impact if we are organized and can pack in the numbers.
Join in a few easy steps their email list, you will get emails on all the bans or the ones coming up with a threat.
Ive got lazy on this but seeing some of you still have balls to raise your voices here, got me off my as,s again to at least send some of you to USARK if anything.
Do it please, and if you can think of other groups then fine, but these guys hit all the reptile shows and do quite a bit so I would stick to them, again, we need to form the biggest single group as we can. Do it.
http://www.usark.org/
my above post was not meant to stop people from posting on these sites about this, just wanted to make that clear, not what I meant or attended to do.
However please check out USARK
However please check out USARK
