The dark hobby

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We are responsible for an entire planet...and most of us don't worry about anything past the front yard
Very true and that's the main problem .
When I try to tell people about how them using unnecessary electricity, wasting water, burning thrash is leading to global warming and how that's causing the extreme heat wave in temperate areas and how it leads to melting of glaciers at the poles. They arrogantly answer to it as - " So what? Why do I have to care if glaciers at the poles melt? Why do I care if tuna, tigers, lions, whatever the heck goes extinct? Is that going to affect me?
Will the extinction of the sharks affect my standard of living? "
Such crappy people. This certainly shows that they don't even know how the ecology functions.
I fimly believe that ecology and how people depend in nature must be taught to everybody not just people who take up science or bio . Even a lawyer or a banker or maybe Jeff Bezos or bill gates
all of them should know about how the earth functions .
 
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It's not actually about junk food, it's about the waste it creates. I don't know where you're from, but I bet your place has better waste management systems and plastic recycling plants than we have here in India.
The main problem with the people here is that they'll keep their property spotless but dump all trash on maybe some empty plot or maybe on the side if their road, just because it's not their property and they don't care.
Hello; I take stuff to the recycler site but it turns out to have been a joke for plastic or at least for most of it. We use to ship plastic to other countries but they stopped taking it a few years back. Probably into a landfill now. Landfills will be mined in the future is one prediction of mine.
 
Hello; I take stuff to the recycler site but it turns out to have been a joke for plastic or at least for most of it. We use to ship plastic to other countries but they stopped taking it a few years back. Probably into a landfill now. Landfills will be mined in the future is one prediction of mine.
Yup I've seen video and read about how trash was sent to low income countries like Indonesia, Thailand, African countries etc. Much of the electrical waste ended up in India china etc. But now many countries have stopped taking in thrash from the rich. It's sad but people don't care.
 
A step back to the fish end.
I don't find capturing wild fish any less deplorable and cruel than those who take largish fish like oscars and other cichlids, or Arowana' s, and cram them into tiny tanks of less than 100 gallons , and expect them to be anthropomorphically content.
 
Hello; I take stuff to the recycler site but it turns out to have been a joke for plastic or at least for most of it. We use to ship plastic to other countries but they stopped taking it a few years back. Probably into a landfill now. Landfills will be mined in the future is one prediction of mine.
Joke?....how about there used to be two separate sanitation trucks that made their rounds on trash day,now there is just one truck and the crew tosses the contents of our recycle bins right in with the garbage!
I know damned well no one is at the dump site picking through the dropoffs and removing the recyclables.
 
Hawaii doesn't have an aquarium trade problem they have a fishing trade problem. I'll check the show out, but most of these are extremely skewed. Twisted & edited to fit the narrative.

I don't see how one can say cb is more ethical than wild caught. The freshwater cb industry is horrid with a flush & replace mentality. Most wild specimens are for us niche hobbyist & not in very high demand due to cost. Saltwater is another animal all together. Theres very few that you can captive breed & the ones that are will be 3x the price of an already pretty expensive fish. The peta type nut jobs are just attacking the pet industry in general. By far the biggest issue is pollution & fishing practices in certain parts of the world. Most of the cyanide catch locations have been identified & are avoided by reputable importers.

It's funny I actually went wild caught & saltwater to weed out the riff raff in the hobby along with not giving my money to unethical businesses. I've made peace with having my aquatic prisoners maybe others should as well. Decent space to live, good food, consistent environment & no predation...its not a bad life compared to trying to make it to adult good in the brutality of mother nature.

Another funny thing is most of the people opposing wild caught are ones whom seem to buy from the chains stores which are the main source of the perpetual neglect & abuse they complain about
 
Hello; I have posted about my involvement in population reduction movements starting back in the 1970's on this site before. No point going over the failed attempts of ZPG and other things. I soon enough came to the conclusion people would seriously overpopulate the earth and as a consequence eventually over reach the carrying capacity of the planet. The things I and others feared did happen. We are now facing the outcomes. I have been surprised at how resilient the planet has been as I expected to be where we currently are a couple of decades ago.

After I came to the conclusion we could not be saved from ourselves I have done two things. First was to remain childless. Had a vasectomy back around 1975. That was a good move over all as I had a couple of wives who changed their minds after a while about children. I did at least perhaps slow down their reproduction numbers for a few years.
The other thing I have been doing is to have a smaller environmental footprint than I can afford. Not that I am a monk type or any sort of pure environmental guru. I do and have lived in a low impact life style compared to my neighbors and peers. My family and neighbors think me odd for rarely using the central air of my house. Only ran it twice so far this warm season.

I find it interesting global warming has become the cause of modern day champions. That the man made warming somehow is the cause for the decade when there are so many other much more dire environmental situations which will happen well before climate change becomes a serious problem. A pandemic such as this covid pandemic was foretold some decades ago as an outcome of human overcrowding and ease of transportation. Many knew a pandemic or few were to happen for a long while. I, for one, did not factor in the possibility some humans would be trying to tailor a virus to be able to infect people as is suspected by some now. I have no way to know if covid19 was enhanced or was a natural crossover, but something like it has been expected. I have several things on my list far more serious than global warming.

Fun read.
Anytime someone has a list of measures they e taken to reduce or limit human population and it doesn’t lead off, or at least contain “participate in warfare” it frames there seriousness pretty well.

if you were serious, and it just trying to take comfort in self righteous ness, you would’ve taken some real action.
 
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...I'll check the show out, but most of these are extremely skewed. Twisted & edited to fit the narrative.

Sad but so true. The vast majority of these shows have their own agenda and present the facts and quasi-facts in a light designed to elicit the response which they are seeking.


...I don't see how one can say cb is more ethical than wild caught. The freshwater cb industry is horrid with a flush & replace mentality. Most wild specimens are for us niche hobbyist & not in very high demand due to cost.

Every aspect of society is equally as "horrid with a flush & replace mentality".

A fish, reptile or any other animal taken from the wild for the pet trade might as well, from the perspective of conservation, simply be killed on the spot. It's been removed from the gene pool and will never contribute to the perpetuation of the species. The number of these animals that will be captive-bred and re-introduced to the wild is vanishingly small; others will be bred and sold further into the trade, but most will simply grow old and die...or more likely, just die. The chance they afford for people to come in contact with them and hopefully develop some concern for nature in general is about the only positive effect they have.


...It's funny I actually went wild caught & saltwater to weed out the riff raff in the hobby along with not giving my money to unethical businesses.

Admirable attitude (or rationalization...), but so rare as to be statistically meaningless.


...Decent space to live, good food, consistent environment & no predation...its not a bad life compared to trying to make it to adult good in the brutality of mother nature.

Read through a bunch of threads on this or other fish forums. Then tell me how many of those fish actually enjoy the benefits you list.

In nature, very few animals actually die of "old age"; predation picks most of them off long before they grow old or even mature. But I would bet that the percentage of aquarium-raised fish that die of old age is even smaller than that in nature. Predation may not be as big an issue, but generally poor husbandry conditions accounts for the vast majority of fish deaths in aquariums. An aquarist who ignores all advice, does no research, buys a bunch of fish and throws them into an uncycled tank is simply killing them. But a seasoned, experienced aquarist who keeps a fish for years, but then loses it to a failed heater, burst aquarium, chemical poison, deficient nutrition or other calamity...is still responsible for the death of that fish. Dead is dead; the "brutality of mother nature" is no more or less lethal than the indifference, ignorance, neglect or just plain bad luck of fishkeepers.

I've got a couple of WC fish which I will never breed, so I see the hypocrisy in my comment, but it isn't easy to go whole-hog on any issues like this. Want to lose weight? Eat less, exercise more; simple, right? Yes...but the best action from a global perspective would be to just stop eating and die. Most of us don't want to take it to that extreme. We will take steps in the direction which we believe is right, but we aren't looking to be martyrs...or heroes...
 
I would bet that the percentage of aquarium-raised fish that die of old age is even smaller than that in nature
Agreed.
But a seasoned, experienced aquarist who keeps a fish for years, but then loses it to a failed heater, burst aquarium, chemical poison, deficient nutrition or other calamity...is still responsible for the death of that fish
Sad but true. Happens to many of us everyday.
 
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