Conservation through commercilization has more meaning than just breeding. Hunting, zoos, eco tourism, simplely keeping pets nd fishing are all forms of commercilization that assists in the conservation of many species
The Ohio situation. Read- this may effect us all
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yeah sorry I kinda flew off the handle and didn't articulate myself very well. I wasn't thinking of him when I was writing the second part but rather organizations like PETA, they are so irrational that they hurt their cause far more than they ever help it, they feel accomplished because baby turtles are banned at pet stores and feeder rats are now sold at same price as fancy rats at pet stores. All that does is take business away from those companies and send me to the swaps and informal outlets to get what I want where PETA is not allowed. Swaps are great but they aren't regulated really so I don't know what PETA thinks they ever actually accomplish. So these organizations hate pets and any basic conservation effort because it violates an animals rights blah blah blah, what would be accomplished if we abided by them, panda's would be extinct as would tigers and so on. Good on them they know what they are doing
They obviously have the animals best interests at heart and aren't stroking their own egos and obsessions...
Very interesting to read all comments about keeping exotic animals. Keeping exotic animals are no different from keeping domesiticated animals. Heck even some of domesticated animals could be exotic to us such as Yaks, camels, reindeer, bison, fallow deer and hedgehogs. Dogs and large bulls of any breeds can kill us, yet we are allowed to keep them
Dama gazelles, addax and scrimater horned orxy which are disappeared from the wild are actually saved by exotic farming in United States. Now these antelopes inside United States are outnumbered the wild antelopes in their native land by thousands. Even Amur leopards, Chinese Leopards, South Chinese tigers and Asiatic Cheetahs are saved from extinction by captive-breeding. It's funny that some people wanted to banning exotic animals keeping, yet they were complaining about snakeheads being banned. Lot of domesticated forms in most exotic animals, included big cats, reptiles and large ungulates. Example, white tigers, black leopards, stripe-less tigers and white lions.
The real question:
What is an exotic animal or a domesticated animal to us?
Dama gazelles, addax and scrimater horned orxy which are disappeared from the wild are actually saved by exotic farming in United States. Now these antelopes inside United States are outnumbered the wild antelopes in their native land by thousands. Even Amur leopards, Chinese Leopards, South Chinese tigers and Asiatic Cheetahs are saved from extinction by captive-breeding. It's funny that some people wanted to banning exotic animals keeping, yet they were complaining about snakeheads being banned. Lot of domesticated forms in most exotic animals, included big cats, reptiles and large ungulates. Example, white tigers, black leopards, stripe-less tigers and white lions.
The real question:
What is an exotic animal or a domesticated animal to us?
yeah sorry I kinda flew off the handle and didn't articulate myself very well. I wasn't thinking of him when I was writing the second part but rather organizations like PETA, they are so irrational that they hurt their cause far more than they ever help it, they feel accomplished because baby turtles are banned at pet stores and feeder rats are now sold at same price as fancy rats at pet stores. All that does is take business away from those companies and send me to the swaps and informal outlets to get what I want where PETA is not allowed. Swaps are great but they aren't regulated really so I don't know what PETA thinks they ever actually accomplish. So these organizations hate pets and any basic conservation effort because it violates an animals rights blah blah blah, what would be accomplished if we abided by them, panda's would be extinct as would tigers and so on. Good on them they know what they are doing
Panda's can go extinct for all I care; the dumb things never want to mate and have offspring so why should we help them along?
Good points. If I remember correctly, doesn't the state of Texas have more of a few antelope species than all of their native habitat? I remember seeing something about that on T.V. one time. That, and Ted Nugent owns more oryx than are in Africa (at least according to an Anthony Bourdain episode with him).
Yes it is correct, Texas has more antelope species than all of their native habitat. Not to mentioned that we have more tigers in the captivity than wild. Sure most tigers in captivity have no value to conservation, but it shows that even a dangerous predator can thriving in captivity.
Honest, it doesn't matter if it's exotic or domesticated, not all people can handle domesticated animals and not all people can handle "exotic" animals. I can handle Black Angus cattle but I don't think I can handle a Texas longhorn or Watusi cattle.
Yes. Well put, all animals can be kept, but it depends on the ability of the keeper to provide care beyond the bare minimum for them. LOL at the Pandas.
There are people out there that think every genotype in captive big cats its worth preserving including non subspecies specific lineages, and frankly asside from the possible fact that there are a limited amount of homes and people with the capabilities to work with them, I see no harm in that. Experts claim that white tigers are hillness prone, and that is true...for todays white tigers! Original white tigers were VERY healthy animals, I read in some records that some even lived past normal ones, the problem is that because people just wanted muted ones, they were considered a freak and so no stubbook, no health concerns, and people people did pretty much what they wanted with them, their gene pool is so decreased that they are understandably delicate and prone to congenital hillness. A large part of them needs to be put out of breeding and the remaining healty ones need to have their gene pool increased and managed by a studbook. Same for white lionsl, etc. However in a world that zoos are concentrated in breeding critically endangered subspecies, it is understandable that they dont want anything to do with them. I think its in here that the private sector should step foard. And people have to stop trying and trying to get new mutations, etc, for the time being. There are plenty of stuff already to keep exotic cat fanciers bussy, they dont want more. It will be hard enough to keep every kind alive in captivity in the future. However for example, just for the sake of it, I should say that I beleave that with the rigth means it should be possible to create a man made species of liger, as it was possible with bengal cats and savanahs. In a world were many species are being lost, why not try and create new ones along the way? Worse then some stuff we know it happens in the wild in terms of hibrids it isnt.
I dont understand the logic that some people have that state "no one should own large dangerous animals" who gets to decide what danerous is? I have owned Tigers, kangaroos, lemurs and cyclura ground iggys. I have a Federal permit for these and even though Washington state has made large cats illegal I am exempt because Federal trumps state and local. If Ohio does out law large cats people who have Federal permits can still own them. But the main thing here is once they ban one animal they will start trying to ban all of them. Dangerous is not black and white a tiger is dangerous but so are venoumous snakes and even some fish that are widely kept. I am a responsible owner and my animals cages are 10-20 times the size that is required. It makes no difference if you are keeping a 4" fish or a tiger both are non-domestic and are not being allowed to live in the wild. As I was reading this some stated Bengals are only pure in India and there is no stud book, there are pure bred Bengals in the U.S. and there is an international studbook for them. Everyone should have the right to keep animals as long as they provide the animal a healthy diet, enrichment, large safe enclosure keep their animals contained and the public safe. Several of my cyclura have been donated to zoos and foundations in S.A.
I had the feeling I saw somewhere that there was a private in the states with pure bengals, however since that was a long time ago and I didnt saw any pure bengal related activities, asside from sumatran and siberian tigers, I assumed they were gone one way or another. Very well then and it is a big step foard. I however doubt the animals in Ohio were pure bengal and you see at least a white tiger amoung them.
Off topic: arent you the person that purchased a big wile back a huge male green iguana cauth in South Florida?
