The Truth About Fish Food Nutrition Myths

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Thanks, so this only applies to products manufactured in the U.S. A. ? What are the benefits of prime fish meal over whole fish, I am thinking cost for sure but is there any other reason to go that route?

Prime Fish Meal is about 2x the cost but it is 70% protein that is all amnio acids usable for bio-mass conversion. Feed grade fish meal is usually 45-60% protein but also includes proteins that do not have convertible amino acids. In some cases it is also a byproduct of fish farming which can be either genetically modified or could have been raised with hormones, antibiotics or other elements that can have residual presence in the new feed.
 
Probably, but that decision would be above my pay grade. Who do we need to contact?

Contact neoprodigy neoprodigy or benzjamin13 benzjamin13 for information.
 
Prime fish meal. lol Sorry, but I find the term and its use to promote a commercial food misleading, and quite frankly a bit of a farce. There are some very high grade, and costly fish meal products currently being used by various commercial fish food manufacturers. Fish meal from whole fish such as Herring meal, is typically in the 70% crude protein range, with Herring having one of the best amino acid profiles, and digestibility, of all the various fish meals on the market. It's not typically used for human consumption because it is a small, bony, fatty fish, not because it lacks in quality, or is not "prime". Obviously the overall quality of all fish meals is ultimately based on the quality of the raw product, as well as the processing methods, preservation methods, etc.

For those that want to learn more about fish meal, from an unbiased source:

https://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/fa122
 
R.D: what is your take on fish meal (hikari) versus whole fish (Nls) differences, pros and cons, etc.
 
As previously stated not all fish meals are created equally, so if a company is going cheap by utilizing a lot of various lower cost terrestrial based plant matter in their formulas such as soybeans, corn, peas, potatoes, etc, then that ought to be ones clue as to the quality of the fish meal being used.
 
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So if it says fish meal then later down the ingredient list you see terrestrial items the fish meal is probably lower quality?
Are there any land based ingredients that indicate higher quality food overall?
 
Long list of great questions:
Here are some answers
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2. Probiotic bacteria needs a food source to stay alive. Yeast as a live culture is a great food source for this live bacteraia. Yeast is not a fungus but is also a great food source for fungus. That is why milling is done at 200- 280 degrees. This is hot enough to kill mold spores but not hot enough to kill the yeast or the probiotics. Yeast infections are different. They are a yeast/fungal colony that grows on dead or necrotic tissue. Definitely not a good food source.
3. Very true in regards to digestive track. Studies of these fish on a 20% protein vegetable only diet vs our 67% protein diet show a 250% increase in bio-mass growth conversion. How ever using formulations that have 50% protein made up of gluten only yielded a 40% increase in bio-mass conversion. This mean that the amino acids from both fish and plant proteins are more digestible than the gluten proteins.
4. Live food is always best from a nutritional standpoint. Processed foods like our are mostly for convenience. The are also free from parasites or other unknown bacteria issues. Once the bone a scale is rendered into feed most of the value from it becomes inert. Some minerals and calcium are still needed to help with fish growth, but in all levels of pellet food we have tested this has never been an area that is lacking. The ones that do tent to lack these are flake food as a direct result of their manufacturing process.
2. Um...maybe I'm missing something here, but my AP Biology class this year was taught that yeast is a eukaryotic, single-celled fungus. Additionally, how would you feed yeast to bacteria (which I would assume would be smaller than the yeast)? Are you saying that you add yeast to the fish food, which are eaten by the bacteria in the packaging? In that case, wouldn't there be a sterilization problem, in case of the probability that a non-probiotic bacterium or spore entered the package and proceeded to outcompete the probiotic bacteria?
3. As you are probably aware, different fish have different requirements. For the fish you did your comparison to, which fish were studied? Were they more open water herbivorous fish like pacu or possibly tilapia? Or were they mainly grazing fish, such as mbuna, and plecos? Or would these be micro-invertebrate hunters who incidentally happen to ingest large amounts of plant matter due to feeding technique like tangs and Poeciliid livebearers? Would you be able to provide comment on exactly which fish species you used? Additionally, wouldn't said study be flawed, as you fail to specify exactly which proteins are in your "67% protein diet" which could be any mix of terrestrial/aquatic plant/animal proteins, as well as failing to match the %protein in both diets? And aren't you also flawed in using vegetable protein, rather than cultured algae protein, which could incidentally be a more readily utilized protein due to the availibility of the wild to the fish?
4. Wouldn't the bone/scale already be chemically inert, due to it being comprised of (mostly) calcium carbonate? Unless you were heating the fish food mixture in an oxygen rich environment at high temperatures which would burn the scales and bones into Ca(OH)2 and CO2, but at that point, would you not be damaging the nutrition content of the food?
 
FYI - the nutrient requirements of the vast majority of ornamental tropical species of fish, have never been studied in detail. Most have never been researched or studied at all, so arguing about specific nutrient requirements of various species, or the bio-availability between certain raw ingredients within those species, generally speaking is a moot point. How a fish consumes its daily feed in the wild doesn't make one wit of a difference when keeping those species in captivity, and this becomes less and less important the further along in generation.

celebrist - I suggest that you re-read my previous comment, what I said was pretty straightforward. If a manufacturer uses lower cost cheaper alternatives within most of their formulas, then chances are they didn't go all out when purchasing their fish meal. Sometimes it takes a trained eye to spot the difference, sometimes its very obvious.
 
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