This aint good

[megalops///]

lol no I would never.

I kid you not that not long ago at 6am on way to work I counted 22 cats down dirt road by my block.
There are farms here so maybe thats why but that's alot of cats and I see many pregnant now .

My flower area is a cat litter box

just buy a have a heart trap and use that. Then relocate bout 20 miles away or to your nearest lake. i find the lake method much better all around. its more final that way. Just make sure you tie a rope to the trap so you can pull it back out.

 

[koidaddy]

Whats wrong with just getting the license? If its about the money with them so be it. If you read the artical again which I have several times to make sure I was not missing something, it sounds like they just want you to play ball so they know what is going on with the animinals. If you are concerned now, GO GET THE LICENSE, why do you want to worry about what happens after the fact as long as you have yours? And if it is a pain to get, then maybe that weeds out some of the undesirables who can't take care of them. If you are doing the right thing and have the proper documantation you should have nothing to worry about.

 

[megalops///]

I don't want to sound like a completely insensitive @$$, but really, does anyone truly believe that the native species have a RIGHT to exist in that specific area, without being encroached upon by other species? Species become "invasive" all the time through their own natural movement around the world. The "natives" they displace didn't have anyone to protect them. (And many animals that started as the "invasive" species eventually became the "native" species.)

While humans are not helping (and are hurting) with introducing new "invasive" species, I don't know that we can say one species has a RIGHT to exist in an area, and another species doesn't. Nature has a way of balancing things out, even if that means the extinction of another species. It doesn't seem fair, but its nature, its not supposed to be fair. Species only continue to exist by reproducing faster than they die. If they don't they'll go extinct.

Banning all trade in these reptiles in Florida isn't going to do a single thing to address the animals already in the wild.

I hear ya. But why would i want bobcats, panthers, bear, deer, indigo snake, rattle snakes, water moccasins, and so forth gone? I don't. Something has to be done about it, one way or anther.

Or would others rather us forget about it and just see what happens in the coming years. I'm being dead serious right now.

all offers are welcome, as long as you can back it up. Just no more b****ing please.

 

[megalops///]

Whats wrong with just getting the license? If its about the money with them so be it. If you read the artical again which I have several times to make sure I was not missing something, it sounds like they just want you to play ball so they know what is going on with the animinals. If you are concerned now, GO GET THE LICENSE, why do you want to worry about what happens after the fact as long as you have yours? And if it is a pain to get, then maybe that weeds out some of the undesirables who can't take care of them. If you are doing the right thing and have the proper documantation you should have nothing to worry about.

Procrastination, it's the story of 75% of America. Everyone wants things done yesterday.

 

[Lepisosteus platyrhincus]

Whats wrong with just getting the license? If its about the money with them so be it. If you read the artical again which I have several times to make sure I was not missing something, it sounds like they just want you to play ball so they know what is going on with the animinals. If you are concerned now, GO GET THE LICENSE, why do you want to worry about what happens after the fact as long as you have yours? And if it is a pain to get, then maybe that weeds out some of the undesirables who can't take care of them. If you are doing the right thing and have the proper documantation you should have nothing to worry about.

but what ur missing here, is the fact that they WILL make it nearly impossible to get the permit. I have no issue with permits if they make it possible to get one. That was what my statements earlier are bout. sry if that came across differently....

 

[Conner]

I hear ya. But why would i want bobcats, panthers, bear, deer, indigo snake, rattle snakes, water moccasins, and so forth gone? I don't. Something has to be done about it, one way or anther.

Or would others rather us forget about it and just see what happens in the coming years. I'm being dead serious right now.

all offers are welcome, as long as you can back it up. Just no more b****ing please.

I don't think we should sit idly by while a species that humans introduced systematically eats every other species in the area to extinction. We need to take responsibility and do what we can to limit the impact of those species we introduced. But the regulations that are currently in place would do that, if the FFWC (or whoever) would simply ENFORCE them.

As Americans, we seem completely obsessed with maintaining the status quo, even as it regards to wild animals. We need to realize that the planet is an ever changing world, and some animals come and some animals go. All we can do is try to limit how many species we usher to extinction.

 

[koidaddy]

but what ur missing here, is the fact that they WILL make it nearly impossible to get the permit. I have no issue with permits if they make it possible to get one. That was what my statements earlier are bout. sry if that came across differently....

Understood. But at the present time it is not impossible to get one. I just called my local reptile dealer here and inquired about it. They estimate a few months tops for the ones on the list. I am sure there are some not on the list that would be harder to obtain but if they are that exotic, you should have all the right safety measures in place and then some.
Its all good. Just please dont insult the mentally challenged, that wasn't cool.
Peace

 

[Conner]

Us native Floridians, who have been here for 4+ generations don't want to see or deal with these new animals. If we wanted to go see them. we'd go to the damn zoo. Is it starting to click now? Just because some recently transplanted yankee or whoever doesn't mind or in most cases do not know any better wants no regulations on reptiles, have no stake whatsoever in this discussion. at all. period.

And saying that no one but Floridians have any stake in this discussion is being very shortsighted. What happens in Florida (and California) are very often barometers for how the rest of the country will go. This is something that could affect every American in the not so distant future, so EVERY American should be involved in this discussion.

 

[Sarah88]

[/Quote]As Americans, we seem completely obsessed with maintaining the status quo, even as it regards to wild animals. We need to realize that the planet is an ever changing world, and some animals come and some animals go. All we can do is try to limit how many species we usher to extinction.[/QUOTE]

another species migrating into an area and taking over is a completely different issue than people taking an animal that is evolved to one area and one set of predators and placing them somewhere else. if something becomes extinct naturally WITHOUT any kind of human interaction then thats just the way of things and its sad but they used up their time on this planet, and its the new animal that beat the odds and moved into the areas time to reign. but when people interfere and introduce animals that would NEVER naturally enter an area then there is no defence of the native animals against it, and no predator to keep its populations in check and they take over everything. however if florida would just enforce the rules already in the books like you said, then we wouldn't be in this situation to begin with. and the laws about exotics passed in any state is a precursor to further legislation in other states. every court ruling leads to another and builds off of each other so if states see that florida implements this then they will think that they can as well and then everyone is screwed. and as for the person saying it wont be a problem if you just get your permit now. well that's a very selfish way of thinking. what about the people who become interested in reptiles after this law is put in place. its not just about you its about everyone who comes after you as well and their right to responsibly own what they want no matter what month/year they decide to do so.

 

[Louie]

I don't want to sound like a completely insensitive @$$, but really, does anyone truly believe that the native species have a RIGHT to exist in that specific area, without being encroached upon by other species? Species become "invasive" all the time through their own natural movement around the world. The "natives" they displace didn't have anyone to protect them. (And many animals that started as the "invasive" species eventually became the "native" species.)

While humans are not helping (and are hurting) with introducing new "invasive" species, I don't know that we can say one species has a RIGHT to exist in an area, and another species doesn't. Nature has a way of balancing things out, even if that means the extinction of another species. It doesn't seem fair, but its nature, its not supposed to be fair. Species only continue to exist by reproducing faster than they die. If they don't they'll go extinct.

Banning all trade in these reptiles in Florida isn't going to do a single thing to address the animals already in the wild.

"Species become "invasive" all the time through their own natural movement around the world. The "natives" they displace didn't have anyone to protect them."

As you know things like pythons and hyenas don't belong in the Glades . Lol just kidding about the Hyenas but some non natives are so close to Florida that they have been here for hundreds of yrs.

Cuban tree frogs- Brown anoles - Haitian Curly tails-Knight anoles - house geckos -few others.
They aren't released/escaped pets they came when boats began to land on Florida carrying fruit,palm tree's (many types here are not native to Florida),etc.They will always be here because they keep coming.



My father in law will say something like brown anoles have wiped out the green anoles by his house yet 40 yrs ago there were 3 houses for miles by him and certainly no mini malls . Now its a whole different world by him.
In other words it was green not cement .
As the developments spread the green anoles simply left and the brown anoles filled the niche but they were here long before.

Florida esp Miami has created the population explosion of non natives by driving out the natives with development .

Granted this has nothing to do with pythons lol but its something many don't see about the smaller non natives .

I think Cuban treefrogs are probably only one that affect native treefrogs and they have been here for hundreds of yrs and the increase in development has aided them .

The other small natives are filling a vacant area because the native resident no longer liked the accommodations thats how I see it.