This aint good

[Louie]

As Americans, we seem completely obsessed with maintaining the status quo, even as it regards to wild animals. We need to realize that the planet is an ever changing world, and some animals come and some animals go. All we can do is try to limit how many species we usher to extinction.[/QUOTE]

another species migrating into an area and taking over is a completely different issue than people taking an animal that is evolved to one area and one set of predators and placing them somewhere else. if something becomes extinct naturally WITHOUT any kind of human interaction then thats just the way of things and its sad but they used up their time on this planet, and its the new animal that beat the odds and moved into the areas time to reign. but when people interfere and introduce animals that would NEVER naturally enter an area then there is no defence of the native animals against it, and no predator to keep its populations in check and they take over everything. however if florida would just enforce the rules already in the books like you said, then we wouldn't be in this situation to begin with. and the laws about exotics passed in any state is a precursor to further legislation in other states. every court ruling leads to another and builds off of each other so if states see that florida implements this then they will think that they can as well and then everyone is screwed. and as for the person saying it wont be a problem if you just get your permit now. well that's a very selfish way of thinking. what about the people who become interested in reptiles after this law is put in place. its not just about you its about everyone who comes after you as well and their right to responsibly own what they want no matter what month/year they decide to do so.[/QUOTE]

I'm actually waiting for Piebald and albino ball pythons to be introduced as non natives.

 

[Louie]

Understood. But at the present time it is not impossible to get one. I just called my local reptile dealer here and inquired about it. They estimate a few months tops for the ones on the list. I am sure there are some not on the list that would be harder to obtain but if they are that exotic, you should have all the right safety measures in place and then some.
Its all good. Just please dont insult the mentally challenged, that wasn't cool.
Peace

Its funny because as heated as these types of posts get and they also run the longest.
Everyone actually wants to get to the same place but granted different ways of getting there and sides are drawn lol..

 

[koidaddy]

Sorry you think I have a selfish way of thinking. I really am not that way and would give whatever I have to someone else. After being bent over by everybody who needed help, it hardens you some.

That, and raising ungrateful kids.

 

[Jeox]

I wonder why a bunch of things are saying the snakes have no real predators. Snappers could attack a python, and the python couldnt do much. A constrictor is pretty unable to kill, or harm a turtle.

 

[megalops///]

I've said what I've had to say. so...ya... you guys enjoy your game of tug-rope. I'm gonna drinka beer and relax. Because I'm sure many of you have never even been to a Town meeting or a county Board meeting like I have. I'm doing my part...are you?

 

[Conner]

I've said what I've had to say. so...ya... you guys enjoy your game of tug-rope. I'm gonna drinka beer and relax. Because I'm sure many of you have never even been to a Town meeting or a county Board meeting like I have. I'm doing my part...are you?

If I could go to southern Florida town meetings, I would. However, its about a 17 hour drive from here to Miami, so I am left with voicing my opinion on the internet...

I think we all agree that something needs to be done, I think we all just differ on what needs to be done and the best way to achieve it. Regardless, I think a flat ban on ANY species would be pointless, other than preventing future responsible reptile keepers from being able to obtain completely harmless animals.

 

[coura]

Im going to ad a few more things to spice this up. The Florida Politicians seem very conserned over the "envoirement" because of all this new invasives and stuff. Well my friends, were they so conserned over the envoirement when they created a special licence that allowed construction companies to deliberately kill/crush/sufocate dozens of gopher tortoises at a time, in their own burrows, to build malls, golf corses, etc, on top of their once territory, in "exchange" of purchasing a tiny fraction of the destructed area in another place to be set aside as gopher toise habitat? This thankfully is over but went on quite a few years and its not a "pretty" thing to do when the animal your killing is older then your granmother. This not envoiremental conserns, they want to get as much votes as possible, if building a new mall gets just that then what a heck with thouse "crawlys". You guys dont need no invasives species! You kill your own nature by yourselfes! Was the burmese python responsable for allmost vanishing the florida panther out of the face of the earth? NO. You did it yourselfes and "brougth" it back from the brink to have the "nice and numerous population" you have today. Invasives are a prob but they are a grain of sand in a ocean...

 

[Conner]

As Americans, we seem completely obsessed with maintaining the status quo, even as it regards to wild animals. We need to realize that the planet is an ever changing world, and some animals come and some animals go. All we can do is try to limit how many species we usher to extinction.[/QUOTE]

another species migrating into an area and taking over is a completely different issue than people taking an animal that is evolved to one area and one set of predators and placing them somewhere else. if something becomes extinct naturally WITHOUT any kind of human interaction then thats just the way of things and its sad but they used up their time on this planet, and its the new animal that beat the odds and moved into the areas time to reign. but when people interfere and introduce animals that would NEVER naturally enter an area then there is no defence of the native animals against it, and no predator to keep its populations in check and they take over everything. [/QUOTE]

I agree that its a completely different issue. But you can't say that most species will NEVER naturally enter an area. It might take longer than we bother to consider, but there are infinite possibilities, and we can't say that in 100 years, pythons wouldn't have naturally made their way into Florida and started decimating populations anyways.

I'm not abdicating a responsibility to do something about it, I think that people SHOULD do something to control the python population, because it was humans who introduced it.

"Species become "invasive" all the time through their own natural movement around the world. The "natives" they displace didn't have anyone to protect them."

As you know things like pythons and hyenas don't belong in the Glades . Lol just kidding about the Hyenas but some non natives are so close to Florida that they have been here for hundreds of yrs.

Of course hyena's don't belong in the everglades. And pythons wouldn't have naturally occured their either (except possibly many many years from now).

 

[coura]

but what ur missing here, is the fact that they WILL make it nearly impossible to get the permit. I have no issue with permits if they make it possible to get one. That was what my statements earlier are bout. sry if that came across differently....

Well my friend I feal your pain but Im afraid its a needed one, at the least to make shure your commited and really keen to have that particular animal.
I wish people did that with burmese pythons from the beggining and we wouldnt have all the probs we have today...OR would we? Ive read that genetic analisis done on Glades burmeses indicate they are related between them wich would indicate they could indeed descend from animals that excaped from a zoo during a hurricane many years ago. Wouldnt it be ironic if the burmese pythons descended from a acident and non hobbist related sorce?

 

[Conner]

This not envoiremental conserns, they want to get as much votes as possible, if building a new mall gets just that then what a heck with thouse "crawlys". You guys dont need no invasives species! You kill your own nature by yourselfes! Was the burmese python responsable for allmost vanishing the florida panther out of the face of the earth? NO. You did it yourselfes and "brougth" it back from the brink to have the "nice and numerous population" you have today. Invasives are a prob but they are a grain of sand in a ocean...

I agree completely! I would like someone to name a single species brought near to extinction solely due to an introduced invasive species in Florida. Most natives being pushed to extinction were already heading that way due to habitat destruction and pollution, both due to human encroachment. The invasive species may be taking a toll, but its just a pinhead added on to the impact humans are having.

The politicians like to use headlines splashed across the news to "scare" people into action, which is really just getting public backing to push through an agenda that doesn't benefit anyone but the politician and whoever is making donations to their reelection fund...