This aint good

[Louie]

"Even Booth. "I was always brought up that the only good poisonous snake is a dead poisonous snake," he said."


What an idiot, he shouldn't consider himself a "trapper" if thats his mentality. Amazing that so many people knowingly live and accept to live somewhere where dangerous animals have always been. But seem surprised when they come across them. ****ing leeches

Sadly that is much of the thinking here. "Kill it" than the non natives are blamed .

Like trhe woman states -They were "ONCE" common. The state will one day have to stock non natives if they want to see any non human life at the rate they wipe out natives while screaming "pythons are coming".

 

[megalops///]

I've come to the conclusion of just saying "SCREW IT"! Just let everything run wild. It's going to happen anyways. Just let nature take its course. There are just to many uneducated, irresponsible, and ignorant people in Florida for anything to ever work properly. So F*** it. Not to mention our law enforcement agencies are a gawd damned joke unless there is something in it for them, like money or their face on a front page for a job their SUPPOSE to do. /END RANT

 

[Louie]

Just a few quick thoughts...

Florida's FWC is a joke. Im not usually one to insult but let me explain... Ive had several encounters with them and have been surprised at their general lack of knowledge every time. While seining in the Indian River Lagoon for a university research project FFWC received an anonymous call about a group of "mexicans" illegally gill netting. It just so happened that it was me and several other students, permitted through the school for research purposes, were the "offenders". As the FWC officers proceeded to check our nets and buckets one of them stopped to question me about some juvenile "flounder" I had in my bucket. These were actually Hogchokers Trinectes murinus and not flounder! I proceeded to argue the point with him and he eventually relented and we were allowed to go without consequence.

On another occasion I watched a FFWC officer inspect a man's bucket of animals he had collected from the Keys which included illegally collected Carribean stony corals and allow him to keep everything!

On yet another occasion I saw a FFWC officer go into a LFS and confiscate a Yellow Stingray Urolophis jamaicensis from their saltwater section because it was clearly (in his mind) an illegal FW Potamotrygon sp. WTF?

The point of these 3 stories is that on neither occasion did the officer seem to actually know anything about the species under his jurisdiction... It makes me wonder how qualified one needs to be to obtain this job. It just doesnt make sense to me.

Also I dont know if its different in the national parks but it was my understanding that under Florida law no special permission or permits are needed to collect invasive species except in certain situations like the transportation of Tilapia etc. I was also under the impression that those same laws made it illegal to rerelease collected invasives... So wouldnt that mean that by asking you to rerelease those Burms he was essentially telling you to break the law? Sorry that just didnt make sense to me.

I have a few more points to make but dont have time at the moment... More to come later!

Ski

If it had been me I would have actually thanked the FWC officer and emailed FWC giving him a compliiment and would send a letter thanking him to be placed in his file.

I say this because my experience has been the oppossite they have never come when I have called them . I have called them for baby alligator poaching and catching killing softshells in Glades park.

I also called them on a group of people seining in the Indian River . Lol I am just kidding and I agree with what your saying as far as general lack of knowledge .


" I watched a FFWC officer inspect a man's bucket of animals he had collected from the Keys which included illegally collected Carribean stony corals and allow him to keep everything!"

Are you interested in buying some coral or live rock ? Kidding. Your right and surprised manatees aren't harpooned.

 

[krichardson]

I've come to the conclusion of just saying "SCREW IT"! Just let everything run wild. It's going to happen anyways. Just let nature take its course. There are just to many uneducated, irresponsible, and ignorant people in Florida for anything to ever work properly. So F*** it. Not to mention our law enforcement agencies are a gawd damned joke unless there is something in it for them, like money or their face on a front page for a job their SUPPOSE to do. /END RANT

You just about might as well feel that way,especially if FWCC wont allow herpers to remove the very creatures that all this fuss is about....and they are the organization that will decide what goes on the list and what won't?

 

[megalops///]

You just about might as well feel that way,especially if FWCC wont allow herpers to remove the very creatures that all this fuss is about....and they are the organization that will decide what goes on the list and what won't?

No doubt, FWCC only cares about its interest and how to gain a higher percentage of the budget. Typical LE thinking. Its a bureaucracy, go figure.

I've had run-ins with many officers. While some are nice, most are tool bags that only know whats printed in their little book. The biologist are a different story.

 

[Louie]

I've come to the conclusion of just saying "SCREW IT"! Just let everything run wild. It's going to happen anyways. Just let nature take its course. There are just to many uneducated, irresponsible, and ignorant people in Florida for anything to ever work properly. So F*** it. Not to mention our law enforcement agencies are a gawd damned joke unless there is something in it for them, like money or their face on a front page for a job their SUPPOSE to do. /END RANT

Look you and I disagree on the threat about non natives but I understand your position however mine is the real threat is the destruction of wild lands.

I actually like gvnr Crist alot as have emailed him about something concerning land preservation . His office emailed me back and it was done.

Some in the state are good however Miami politicians asre a different story .

I give you this the "Yankees" (which I am proudly) and many here from over-seas have no concept of land preservation and subscribe to "kill it" . Things like marshes which as you know are a world of wild life they want filled with cement because they harbor mosquitos.

When I first moved here . I rented for 6 months in a gated community before bought my house and that was the general anti nature feeling. I think I was one of few houses with a lawn that wasn't cemented over.

I now live by "old timers" who have lived here all their lives (few farmers) and they disdain cement and destruction they are not afraid of nature and sadly that is not the growing feeling in the state ESP in Miami.

This is why the non natives I see as close to zero issue .

 

[megalops///]

Look you and I disagree on the threat about non natives but I understand your position however mine is the real threat is the destruction of wild lands.

I actually like gvnr Crist alot as have emailed him about something concerning land preservation . His office emailed me back and it was done.

Some in the state are good however Miami politicians asre a different story .

I give you this the "Yankees" (which I am proudly) and many here from over-seas have no concept of land preservation and subscribe to "kill it" . Things like marshes which as you know are a world of wild life they want filled with cement because they harbor mosquitos.

When I first moved here . I rented for 6 months in a gated community before bought my house and that was the general anti nature feeling. I think I was one of few houses with a lawn that wasn't cemented over.

I now live by "old timers" who have lived here all their lives (few farmers) and they disdain cement and destruction they are not afraid of nature and sadly that is not the growing feeling in the state ESP in Miami.

This is why the non natives I see as close to zero issue .

First of all, I'm all about land preservation! That's why we live on the boundaries of a protected swap. That's were I grew up. Second, its the yankees and all their damned money and need for space thats screwing it up, not to mention all the damned snow birds that live here 5 months outta the year that have a right to voice/vote in the matter. The ability for them to vote is the biggest factor in the destruction of natural land.

Why even worry about the land if the animals that came with it are being wiped out? You gotta think about all aspects, not just the obvious, bro!

I could go on and on, but in typical yankee fashion, conversing with you is like yelling at a brick wall... retarded.

 

[Conner]

I could go on and on, but in typical yankee fashion, conversing with you is like yelling at a brick wall... retarded.

That was uncalled for. Just because he sees the problem from a different perspective, and doesn't agree with you doesn't mean conversing with him is "retarded".

Both of your points are valid, and need to be addressed. You can't protect the native species if there's nowhere for them to live, and what's the point in protecting land if there's no natives let to live there?

You have to protect BOTH of them, or neither will survive very long without the other.

 

[Pomatomus]

"Florida invasives haven't been around that long."


With the Caribbean being a skip away and boats going back and forth for hundredS of yrs bringing cargo such as tree's ,fruit,etc the small one's have probably been here hundredS of yrs.


Many of the palm tree's in Miami are not native to Florida they were initially bought in from the Caribbeans . There is no way they didn't come hundreds of yrs ago.

The common Florida Cuban royal palm (Roystonea regia) was imported in numbers during 1900 to 1910 .
You can rest assured loaded with Carribean natives and thats just one plant imorted "recently" again fruit,etc shipments BEFORE that bought them here.


It is unreal to think they did not. With the growing development you see them more and again they fill a niche that smaller natives could no longer thrive in.

True, I totally forgot about plants. What do you have to say about Brazilian pepper and potato vine? Also I haven't seen a Carolina anole in three years!

And yeah that was totally uncalled for megalops. Gotta keep it civil in forum posts

 

[megalops///]

True, I totally forgot about plants. What do you have to say about Brazilian pepper and potato vine? Also I haven't seen a Carolina anole in three years!

And yeah that was totally uncalled for megalops. Gotta keep it civil in forum posts

I apologize, Louie. Your not retarded in the least. Just trying to get my point across, to a yankee.