Tigrinus Catfish in 180?

[T1KARMANN]

Do you own a tig ?

If you don't why are you even posting in this thread

No need to defrost food before feeding I have been feeding like that with frozen food for years with no problems at all

Didn't I ask you not to comment on any of my posts but still you find the need to quote me

 

[ermgravy]

some people really need there heads checked once in a while... ok lets sort this ish out. firstly lol u flame war with T1, sorry you are fully losing jlnguyen74 get your facts straight first, feeding a frozen MP even still frozen to a trop fish will do it NO DAMAGE! secondly we are in the uk 90% of frozen MP we buy are pre peeled and untreated so ur argument on that front is lost to.

add to that the fact i know T1 on a personal level have seen his tanks on numerous occasions and rate him as on of the most experienced hobbiest i have had the pleasure to chat with over the years. I really am failing to see where your getting this from. ive just read through this garbo thread n really no point to it. you've successfully made yourself look silly and completely derailed the thread if that were the aim? then well done u gone get ya self a cookie........

 

[big dovii]

I think its okay to be wrong people. I think that maybe the type of MP you're feeding the tigs, or the possibility of a stress induced parasite (caused by lack of o2, bad water conditions, nitrate poisoning, overfeeding, water changes etc.) I highly doubt that some 'varieties' of M.Tigrinus have such a different immune system and/or digestive system. Maybe it could be a parasite that reacts to MP? Who knows.

I myself have not had experience with a Tig directly, but I have grown up several other catfish to a large size such as B.jurense.(not the same fish, but definitely a close relative, no?) I myself did not have any problems feeding MP to any of them, I lost one to a parasite.(fish showed similar symptoms to fish mentioned) and I also have a close friend who has several B.j jurense in the 14"+ raised on pellets, MP and even one on night crawlers, and he has never had a problem with any, as all were treated for parasites, and kept in very pristine conditions.

All I'm saying is that RD has a good point and that the random/sudden deaths have all been caused by MP, I find that highly unlikely, and I also am getting a degree in bio.

I think that there are many many more plausible theories as to why a Tigrinus cat would die suddenly. Many that have been pointed out could be showing plausible signs that could also lead towards a parasite.

Thats my .02

 

[T1KARMANN]

Jurence and tig are very closely related you are right with that point but jurence seam to be a much more hardy fish than a tig

As I have stated I have narrowed the sudden deaths to 3 things

Lack of air
Lack of flow
Feeding MP

Now I have seen tigs die in tanks with the 1st 2 but still being fed on MP which has convinced me that MP are the problem

For the last time in this thread I can't prove that MP kills small tigs but is it worth the risk tigs grow fast to 12 inch so you are only talking about not feeding the tig for a few months and just to be safe and cutting out some risk I can't see a problem with not feeding MP for a few months it's not like everyone can't get pellets

 

[ermgravy]

it if was two years ago id be more prone to be leave the MP argument. feeding frozen MP cant biologically have any ill effects due to tempt due to thickness of a MP and thaw rate in trop tanks. except chocking on still frozen pic logged in throat. n dissection is how to prove or disprove that!

Id cud be nit spike due to feeding... nope tested and even in 180g two massive handfuls of MP didnt hardly show on nits test for until left if empty 180g for five minites.

If this is due to MP and its not down to choking the i dont get it i doesnt make sense.

dont be leave its a flow issue of 02 cos i no of tigs rolling on people in lots of circs even on pellets...

 

[jlnguyen74]

some people really need there heads checked once in a while... ok lets sort this ish out. firstly lol u flame war with T1, sorry you are fully losing jlnguyen74 get your facts straight first, feeding a frozen MP even still frozen to a trop fish will do it NO DAMAGE! secondly we are in the uk 90% of frozen MP we buy are pre peeled and untreated so ur argument on that front is lost to.

add to that the fact i know T1 on a personal level have seen his tanks on numerous occasions and rate him as on of the most experienced hobbiest i have had the pleasure to chat with over the years. I really am failing to see where your getting this from. ive just read through this garbo thread n really no point to it. you've successfully made yourself look silly and completely derailed the thread if that were the aim? then well done u gone get ya self a cookie........

If you take time to read, only your "idol" and very few of his believer are the ones who condempt MP is the cause of dead on Tig. Most of us don't believe MP is the cause, offer some theory to explain why his tigs died from MP. From what your insight about frozen MP is sold in UK, it supports more on the doubt that MP is the cause of dead on Tig.

If anyone wonders whether I own a Tig, or what I keep, a simple search will show, unless you don't know how to use the search engine.

There's a said, "can't teach old dog new tricks." I'm an optimistic, believe that was not true... However, this could be one of a few case that you can't teach an old dog new tricks!

 

[ermgravy]

I am well awhare of what T1 is saying and i respect why, it could be due to a metabolic issue in young tig's not being able to digest certain proteins or fats within MP before they reach a certain size. or even a unnaturally high salt content within the MP for a small tig to digest i can easily see why with the fatty style lump before dorsal fins that we so often see before death in young tigs i can see why this possibility arises i just think it would be seen in more SA cat sp's if that were the case i know tig's are at the less hardy end of the spectrum but there are other cats as fragile. its an enigma and not really any way to test it with out to identical setups on pc monitoring two tigs from same spawning one feed control of pellets and one on MP. even then the outcome is questionable until repeated multiple times.

 

[oscar and arowana]

I made this thread with the simple question of if a tigrinus catfish would be okay in my tank. It was answered in the second post. And now I checked by and this thread has gotten crazy. I really enjoy the envolvement of members on this site! thanks for all the extra info guys! This was my first thread I ever posted and I have to say that I am shocked of how much response it has gotten. Also, I am not pissed at all b/c of the massive derailment, keep it up!