To sump or not

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Herbie and bean animal are drain methods using full siphon drains. No air in the lines = silent operation, increase in flow, and more control in your hands. They also call for dry e drains (i highly recommend) in the event there is a stoppage in the main drains.

At this point research or ask questions on the size of plumbing, flow rates, and plumbing method (bean or herbie) so you can decide on how large you want the bulkeads to be/ size of drilled holes
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Herbie and bean animal are drain methods using full siphon drains. No air in the lines = silent operation, increase in flow, and more control in your hands. They also call for dry e drains (i highly recommend) in the event there is a stoppage in the main drains.

At this point research or ask questions on the size of plumbing, flow rates, and plumbing method (bean or herbie) so you can decide on how large you want the bulkeads to be/ size of drilled holes
Thanks for the Info
I love starting the week off with a new research project.
I’ll follow up here as I find out more about which path I’ll take.
Just in case?? Here is a bulkhead
It is the piece use to attach plumbing to the hole that's been drilled, and prevent seepage.
thanks Duane’s-
I spent my early 20’s doing irrigation installs. I’m familiar with the parts and function not necessarily how that translates to the aquarium world
 
One extra thought. As already mentioned a Herbie drain uses 2 bulkhead to bring water to the sump. One operates under full syphon and the second acting as a emergency drain/ takes the extra water that the main drain doesn’t. The bean animal works the same but uses a third bulkhead as a extra emergency drain.
 
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Another vote for sump. I just set up my first one - 30g sump on a 75g tank with a drilled overflow. The tank isn't even cycled yet (no fish, of course) and I already love it. If nothing else, it's nearly silent. It's a Durso drain (not full siphon) but it's much quieter than the HOB + canister filter setup it replaced. All I hear is the return pump, but that's only if the house is completely quiet (no TV or other appliances running) and I can upgrade that easily if it ever starts bugging me.
 
I've posted my sump before, but here it is again. It's about as simple as it gets but has worked great for the 2 years I've had it running. It's a standard 55 gallon tank. 0512170558.jpg The two pipes on the left come from the overflow. The water drops through the two filter socks, is pulled through the black bag of bio balls then is returned via the pump on the right. Swap and wash out the filter socks once a week. Easy peasy. Fish are happy and healhy.
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One extra thought. As already mentioned a Herbie drain uses 2 bulkhead to bring water to the sump. One operates under full syphon and the second acting as a emergency drain/ takes the extra water that the main drain doesn’t. The bean animal works the same but uses a third bulkhead as a extra emergency drain.

Yes and no. Your on the right track though. The e drain for the most part should be dry. Meaning it only takes on water if something were to happen to your siphon drains. Taking on a trickle or some water is fine but only if it can handle your total flow with the siphon drains closed.

There more than one way to skin a cat but this is how I planned the plumbing. I knew I wanted two pumps so that I could operated them on the lower settings and not overwork a single pump (dc pumps like jebeo or adjustable) . After I decided that I wanted to be around 3k gph. Now I needed to make sure my Edrains could handle the flow. 2 inch gravity fed (not full siphon) drains can handle 2200 gph ( I'll post the graph I used when I get home)

Given headloss im definitely under 3k gph but I still chose to go with 2 inch e drains I figured better to over estimate than to low ball it. Gives a little wiggle room incase I want to increase gph or im off on the flow.

The bulkheads would be drilled as per your drains sizes.
 
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Well you’re ten miles ahead of my thoughts process-
Thanks, more to consider.@jaws7777
 
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Yes and no. Your on the right track though. The e drain for the most part should be dry. Meaning it only takes on water if something were to happen to your siphon drains. Taking on a trickle or some water is fine but only if it can handle your total flow with the siphon drains closed.

There more than one way to skin a cat but this is how I planned the plumbing. I knew I wanted two pumps so that I could operated them on the lower settings and not overwork a single pump (dc pumps like jebeo or adjustable) . After I decided that I wanted to be around 3k gph. Now I needed to make sure my Edrains could handle the flow. 2 inch gravity fed (not full siphon) drains can handle 2200 gph ( I'll post the graph I used when I get home)

Given headloss im definitely under 3k gph but I still chose to go with 2 inch e drains I figured better to over estimate than to low ball it. Gives a little wiggle room incase I want to increase gph or im off on the flow.

The bulkheads would be drilled as per your drains sizes.

Sure the syphon can handle the full load but there will always be some bounce in the overflow... hence the second drain taking on the extra flow. If sized properly the second drain will have no problem handling the full flow if something backed up the main and will be chugging quite loud.
 
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