TV upgrade: LCD or LED?

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Im glad the OP already made his economical choice!

Of course you oldies with plasmas are going to stick up for them cuz you already have them and when you bought them they were the best...... I have both lcd backlit and lcd led, led is better then the lcd, and as far as plasma my dads reflects light like crazy, and my led doesn't have blue white, white is solid white and there is no blur f1 looks insanely perfect....

Current 2.5k+ plasmas may be better then 500-1.5k led but the point of this thread is to lead the op to the best sense of "economical quality," led consume less power, last longer and are cheaper then plasma not to mention very thin and light, thus are the best option for him.

Plasma vs led in a color and contrast sence may be different, they may edge out the lcd displays with led backlit but is that worth reflection, shorter life span, less viewing angles, thick/weight and more money to operate.....?

Besides he already made his mind up, current market analysis points the avg consumer toward led.

FYI Sharp led elite was rated a 10 in picture quality as was your coveted Panasonic Tc plasma.

Cheers mates.

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A lot of incorrect information here.

"Current 2.5k+ plasmas may be better then 500-1.5k led"

Current $1k plasmas are better than $3k+ LEDs...I will use Panasonic as an example here. You can get a 50" Panasonic plasma (50ST50) for $1k at best buy and this is rated the 3rd best TV on CNET which dominates every LED tv out there other than the Sharp Elite.

"led consume less power, last longer and are cheaper then plasma not to mention very thin and light"

LEDS do not last longer than Panasonic plasmas, are not cheaper, and the current plasmas are only 2" thick.
The new phosphors that Panasonic uses in their Neo Plasmas incorporate the highest technology yet. This allows up to 100,000 hours of panel life before the brightness is decreased in half. According to Panasonic, this is 30 years of 8hrs of viewing a day. In terms of consumption, CNET did a review last year showing how monthly costs are only a few dollars of a difference with LEDs and Plasmas, but in the end, LEDs do consume less power overall.

"but is that worth reflection, shorter life span, less viewing angles, thick/weight and more money to operate"

Reflection was an issue in the past. Now, Panasonic uses a Louver filter that acts as an anti-reflective screen thus glare is not an issue.
Less viewing angles is completely false. Plasmas are the only televisions that have true 180 degree viewing angles; this is because of their gas system. LEDs will claim 178 degrees, but when you go to the side, the colors wash out. Not to mention how bad ghosting and motion blur is on LEDs...they claim 120Hz-480Hz that will eliminate motion blur, but as soon as you pop in an action movie or watch sports...ghosting is still there.
Plasmas use a sub-field 600Hz driver that virtually have 0 motion blur.
Shorter life span is false as I stated above, and Panasonic now has a No Signal monitor that if there is no activity, the power will turn off thus saving life span. Also, burn-ins are no longer an issue.
So how are plasmas more money to operate? They are cheaper, last just as long if not longer, and have truer, more natural colors with the deepest blacks and 0 motion blur. They also have all the SMART features such as built-in apps, and built-in WiFi.
Also, having worked in the industry, Ive noticed LED TVs have more of a return-back rate than plasmas, as most manufactures use Edge-lit LEDs and when one LED bulb goes out, the whole row needs to be replaced and not to mention you get a little black or white spot on the tv. That is why back-light individual LEDs are much better such as the ELITE.

"FYI Sharp led elite was rated a 10 in picture quality as was your coveted Panasonic Tc plasma"
Im not sure where you got this information?
Currently on CNET, the sharp LED elite was rated 4 stars and the 2nd best TV with a $5.3k price tag...vs their #1 TV the Panasonic VT50 with 4 1/2 stars and a $1.9k price tag.

I sound like a Panasonic rep lol but they are the best TVs, second to RUNKO plasmas which are $$$. A lot of information here, but I hope someone reads this and realizes how plasmas are under-rated and still looked upon as if they have problems like they did in the past. They don't, and they are currently the best TVs for the best price.
 
Im sorry but plasma isnt even an option imo, its the dated technology that was surpassed by lcd and even further by led. my parents had a very nice 42" plasma tv but the new led tv they got (sharp 70") blows it away on every level. The life of plasma is bad too, for someone who watches ALOT of tv lcd or led is the way to go. My gfs dad basically just watches tv all day and his plasma burnt out in 3 years, paid like $700 for repairs that bought it an extra 6 mo. Its largely opinions on the subject but I suspect most plasma supporters are people who paid big bucks for a tv type that has been outdated

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Im sorry but plasma isnt even an option imo, its the dated technology that was surpassed by lcd and even further by led. my parents had a very nice 42" plasma tv but the new led tv they got (sharp 70") blows it away on every level. The life of plasma is bad too, for someone who watches ALOT of tv lcd or led is the way to go. My gfs dad basically just watches tv all day and his plasma burnt out in 3 years, paid like $700 for repairs that bought it an extra 6 mo. Its largely opinions on the subject but I suspect most plasma supporters are people who paid big bucks for a tv type that has been outdated

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:ROFL: You must have not read anything I just posted, nor does it seem like you have any knowledge about televisions. What you just stated is all opinion.
That 70" Sharp (which im guessing isnt the $5K ELITE) that apparently "blows away" that old plasma is rated one of the WORST LED TVs on the market. Mostly for its lack of brightness, horrible motion blur, and no impact yellow color of the Quattron

http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/sharp-quattron-lc-70le847u/4505-6482_7-35118015.html

The life of a plasma is NOT bad, as I just posted Panasonic Neo Plasmas have been tested up to 100,000 hours (30 years) of viewing life before the brightness is decreased in half. Those kinds of examples are usually user-error, that TVs are left on for hours a day and left un-attentaded.
And you suspect wrong, plasma supporters are not people who paid big bucks for a tv that has been outdated...its the exact OPPOSITE of that; cheaper than LEDs and older technology that is still rated BETTER.

http://reviews.cnet.com/televisions/
 
I am sensing this isnt going to be solved by us, So I will once again post a top-tier pro evaluation. With the exception of width, weight, heat generation and in some circumstances reflection off the (real, not plastic film that can scratch easily) glass which has been largely reduced by the coatings panasonic and samsung use. This is from 2012, and not 3-5 years ago. Oh and I didnt buy my tv a long time ago, I got it for myself for last years football playoffs so less than a year.

Oh and since some of you think us plasma people are justifying something (along with the pro reviewers and high end sales apparently) I will suggest a snotty theory as well: You either couldnt afford a top level TV, or are trying to convince others of the lie you have convinced yourself:lcd is just as good!

http://www.crutchfield.com/S-yeUIoiIGb9e/learn/learningcenter/home/tv_flatpanel.html


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Im glad the OP already made his economical choice!






A lot of incorrect information here.

"Current 2.5k+ plasmas may be better then 500-1.5k led"

Current $1k plasmas are better than $3k+ LEDs...I will use Panasonic as an example here. You can get a 50" Panasonic plasma (50ST50) for $1k at best buy and this is rated the 3rd best TV on CNET which dominates every LED tv out there other than the Sharp Elite.

"led consume less power, last longer and are cheaper then plasma not to mention very thin and light"

LEDS do not last longer than Panasonic plasmas, are not cheaper, and the current plasmas are only 2" thick.
The new phosphors that Panasonic uses in their Neo Plasmas incorporate the highest technology yet. This allows up to 100,000 hours of panel life before the brightness is decreased in half. According to Panasonic, this is 30 years of 8hrs of viewing a day. In terms of consumption, CNET did a review last year showing how monthly costs are only a few dollars of a difference with LEDs and Plasmas, but in the end, LEDs do consume less power overall.

"but is that worth reflection, shorter life span, less viewing angles, thick/weight and more money to operate"

Reflection was an issue in the past. Now, Panasonic uses a Louver filter that acts as an anti-reflective screen thus glare is not an issue.
Less viewing angles is completely false. Plasmas are the only televisions that have true 180 degree viewing angles; this is because of their gas system. LEDs will claim 178 degrees, but when you go to the side, the colors wash out. Not to mention how bad ghosting and motion blur is on LEDs...they claim 120Hz-480Hz that will eliminate motion blur, but as soon as you pop in an action movie or watch sports...ghosting is still there.
Plasmas use a sub-field 600Hz driver that virtually have 0 motion blur.
Shorter life span is false as I stated above, and Panasonic now has a No Signal monitor that if there is no activity, the power will turn off thus saving life span. Also, burn-ins are no longer an issue.
So how are plasmas more money to operate? They are cheaper, last just as long if not longer, and have truer, more natural colors with the deepest blacks and 0 motion blur. They also have all the SMART features such as built-in apps, and built-in WiFi.
Also, having worked in the industry, Ive noticed LED TVs have more of a return-back rate than plasmas, as most manufactures use Edge-lit LEDs and when one LED bulb goes out, the whole row needs to be replaced and not to mention you get a little black or white spot on the tv. That is why back-light individual LEDs are much better such as the ELITE.

"FYI Sharp led elite was rated a 10 in picture quality as was your coveted Panasonic Tc plasma"
Im not sure where you got this information?
Currently on CNET, the sharp LED elite was rated 4 stars and the 2nd best TV with a $5.3k price tag...vs their #1 TV the Panasonic VT50 with 4 1/2 stars and a $1.9k price tag.

I sound like a Panasonic rep lol but they are the best TVs, second to RUNKO plasmas which are $$$. A lot of information here, but I hope someone reads this and realizes how plasmas are under-rated and still looked upon as if they have problems like they did in the past. They don't, and they are currently the best TVs for the best price.

Lolz.

Mines less then .5" BTW, I think you may be a little to obsessed, I rarely even watch tv, I work, race and take care of animals, I guess if I ever get to lethargic Oled will be out by then and it will be better them plasma anyways.

Cheers mate.


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Lolz.

Mines less then .5" BTW, I think you may be a little to obsessed, I rarely even watch tv, I work, race and take care of animals, I guess if I ever get to lethargic Oled will be out by then and it will be better them plasma anyways.

Cheers mate.


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Thats great! Samsung made a 9000 series that was even less than .3"! Tell me, are you watching the picture or the thinness of the TV once its in your living room?
OLEDs will be twice the price your expecting BTW.
Obsessed? Hardly. You posted a quiet amount of incorrect information to support LED TVs and were bashing on plasmas on several posts.
I make 1 post that proves you wrong, and im obsessed. Well, you're misleading ;)


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+1 glad to have some other people backing up the plasma technology...
What can you say people are uneducated about tvs. All marketing....

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Exactly.. and although I cant stand LCD's crappy picture quality, I respect that a lot of people buy into the LCD hype and are willing to be satisfied with motion blur, pathetic viewing angle, poor color representation and completely false and manufactured "contrast" claims. (Black to white.. black isnt supposed to be medium gray people... your lcd, or led lights or led arrays are still on and a lit up screen doesnt look black no matter how much you think thats what "dark" is supposed to look like.)



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+1 glad to have some other people backing up the plasma technology...
What can you say people are uneducated about tvs. All marketing....

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Not marketing, personal preference. If I want tv to look like a gaudy comic book, I'll go with a plasma.

Like I said a few posts above, when accurate color rendition is needed, pros use LCD screens. If plasma technology was that good, it would be used in various applications and not just home cinema. But it's not, so it isn't.

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