types of fish for a small pond?

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its raining out side and I hear thunder so I dont think I will work on the pond until later today. I checked out the heaters you suggested but most of them say that they are only for 120 gallon ponds. If I have a water fall will that stop the freezing?
 
I finished digging out and expanding that pond tonight and it is filled as of right now. its so much bigger than what it originally was! I am really excited about getting this up and going again. I will try to take pictures before I have to head out tomorrow morning. Lets hope for no leaks in the liner!
Just curious: is there any way I could keep an oscar in the pond? I have a 12" oscar that is getting beat up by my knife and I need to put him in a new home for a while, is the pond out of the question? I hate to sound naive but what if I got a bigass heater for it?
 
Well, from what I can tell...

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Your going to need a thermostatic heater all the time, are your nites warmer than the chart?

Oh, did you do anything for an overflow (from rain)?

Dr Joe

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Watch out w/ running the waterfall in the winter. The problem w/ running the falls throughout the winter is ice damns. When the water begins to freeze around the edges or where the water sprays on nearby rocks, it begins an icecicle effect. As the water splashes it cause the ice to slowly grow. If that happens it could begin to divert water out and away from the pond, potentially draining the pond and burning up the pump.
 
from what i'm aware the reason for not running the waterfall was that it excessivly chilled the water, and thereby disrupted the thermal layer beneath.
when the fish over winter they hide in the deeper parts of the pond, but when you have the waterfall running it creates currents which then chill the lower leves of water leading to the fish freezeing to death. note koi keepers who filter all year round use deep water returns(in conjunction with bottom drains) so as not to move the water round so much .

[edit]also if its cold enough to freeze running water i dont think the fish could survive

i wouldnt pur an oscar in there as i would guess it'd be too cool. however you'd have to check what the temps are like over a couple of days, both day and night readings.

as for possible fish. danios and WCMM will prefer the cooler temps. weather loaches (though they are illegal in several countries) corydoras gymnogeophagus. and though that pond isnt big enough (IMO anyway) possibly stingrays, as i've been told that several of them prefer the cooler temps
 
Muske;840096; said:
Watch out w/ running the waterfall in the winter. The problem w/ running the falls throughout the winter is ice damns. When the water begins to freeze around the edges or where the water sprays on nearby rocks, it begins an icecicle effect. As the water splashes it cause the ice to slowly grow. If that happens it could begin to divert water out and away from the pond, potentially draining the pond and burning up the pump.


Good call...:iagree:, protentially draining the pond and killing the fish.

Dr Joe

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great advice people! Keep it coming.
I found put today that the pond liner has a leak in it and it drained halfway over night. I have patches for it so no big deal.
Where I live it really dosent get cold enough to freeze the water maybe more than half an inch for a few days in the winter. The temp hovers around 45-35 degrees for most of the winter. I want to get a heat but most of them are surface heaters, and I dont want a surface heater. Could I put an aquarium heater in the pond and set it to its lowest setting during the winter?
Well I am off to get repair the lining, I will put more pictures up in a while.
 
Yes, you can put a submersible at the bottom, just support it off the liner an inch or two.

Hey six hours and no pix, did ya fall in ?:ROFL: .

Dr Joe

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sorry I got called into work and had to go in till 11:00. I will take pictures tomorrow.
 
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