UFC 127 - Penn vs. Fitch

[Clay]

I don't know whether those picks are just an effort to pick an amazing upset (ala Buster Douglas over Tyson) or if it's a joke. I find it hard to believe that anyone can pick Bisping over Silva and Condit over GSP. I'm actually sipping my coffee and chuckling at that. Like, Bisping over Silva, really? Bisping *still* circles to his left. It would be a much faster finish than the Hendo fight, and probably a lot more spectacular. Anderson's record should be enough to help people realize not to bet against him. Same with GSP. I'm excited for a super fight.

 

[hamato_yoshii]

It's not a joke.
Hopefully those who have read my posts on here for a while know that I'm not a "shock-jock" kind of poster.
I said that Frankie would beat BJ, Cain would be champ after his second fight, "called" the Sonnen fight (shut up svang, you know that one is mine), among others.

I think MMA is unique in that regard, that you can have upsets like that, if the styles bear it out.

For example, while I think Bisping could (key word) beat AS, if the rumored fight that really could be next for Bisping happens, with Sonnen, I would take Sonnen for sure, because his wrestling would likely totally negate Bisping's effectiveness.

I do find it funny though that people get so freaked out when you say stuff like this, I mean, do you expect them to go on winning forever?
They will be beat, and when it happens, most people will be surprised that it could happen.
But, it happens all the time in this sport.
Not long ago, people were wondering if anyone in the world could actually beat Lyoto Machida. Now people think you crazy if you take him over Rampage.

 

[pwmin]

...and probably a lot more spectacular...

how is that even possible?

 

[fishguts]

i agree that bisping has no chance against as. my two fav fighters are brock lesner and bj penn. i say brock just because i use to watch the wwf back in the day buts thats also why alot of people hate him. brock can win at anytime but can also loose at anytime with his weak standup and chin. bj penn on the other hand there is only one person that seems to have his number and that edgar. i think penns problem is he is much weaker then alot of the opponents he fights. he has good stand up and good ground game but it seems like his opponents excluding edgar usually take him down and simply use there more powerful bodies to keep him on his back. if penn had the strength of a gsp then he would be unstoppable. btw does anyone know when brock or carwin is suppose to fight again? i like both of them but it seem like there due for a fight.

 

[Clay]

It's not a joke.
Hopefully those who have read my posts on here for a while know that I'm not a "shock-jock" kind of poster.
I said that Frankie would beat BJ, Cain would be champ after his second fight, "called" the Sonnen fight (shut up svang, you know that one is mine), among others.

I think MMA is unique in that regard, that you can have upsets like that, if the styles bear it out.

For example, while I think Bisping could (key word) beat AS, if the rumored fight that really could be next for Bisping happens, with Sonnen, I would take Sonnen for sure, because his wrestling would likely totally negate Bisping's effectiveness.

I do find it funny though that people get so freaked out when you say stuff like this, I mean, do you expect them to go on winning forever?
They will be beat, and when it happens, most people will be surprised that it could happen.
But, it happens all the time in this sport.
Not long ago, people were wondering if anyone in the world could actually beat Lyoto Machida. Now people think you crazy if you take him over Rampage.

I understand styles make fights, and I think Sonnen beats Bisping 10/10 times. I don't know why you think Bisping's style equates to a win over Silva. While I agree Sonnen handled Silva amazingly for 23.5 minutes, he slipped up and failed with a min and a half to go. That still equals a loss.

how is that even possible?

Maybe AS could dive on his face with BOTH fists?

i agree that bisping has no chance against as. my two fav fighters are brock lesner and bj penn. i say brock just because i use to watch the wwf back in the day buts thats also why alot of people hate him. brock can win at anytime but can also loose at anytime with his weak standup and chin. bj penn on the other hand there is only one person that seems to have his number and that edgar. i think penns problem is he is much weaker then alot of the opponents he fights. he has good stand up and good ground game but it seems like his opponents excluding edgar usually take him down and simply use there more powerful bodies to keep him on his back. if penn had the strength of a gsp then he would be unstoppable. btw does anyone know when brock or carwin is suppose to fight again? i like both of them but it seem like there due for a fight.

Brock is guest coach for TUF, and *should* be fighting Junior Dos Santos sometime this summer. Brock has been exposed by Cain, and will likely get a beating against JDS.

 

[SumoNinja]

hy, you were so close and so far with your prediction with Sonnen and AS. he did what you thought he'd do, and i remember agreeing with you to a certain point. but in the end, the result is all that matters

my problem with sonnen, is not only does he run his mouth too much and goes overboard, but his thing with the high level of testosterone that got detected. I believe, and it's my opinion that he cheated on purpose no matter what excuse he tried to use about his body not being able to produce enough so he needed injections.

i feel that he has been cheating for his last few fights, he has never ever in his career been this strong and has never had the cardio like he does today. it was like he had it overnight against miller, okami, nate and then anderson.

so in my mind, everything he's done leading up to his title shot doesn't mean squat. but that's just me

and about brock, i'm ok with him now, but at first i didn't like him because of his post fight antics. that had nothing to do with him being in the wwe. but he's more mature now

 

[SumoNinja]

It's not a joke.
Hopefully those who have read my posts on here for a while know that I'm not a "shock-jock" kind of poster. i can vouch, you always have valid reasons for your predictions, sometimes i agree, sometimes not
I said that Frankie would beat BJ, Cain would be champ after his second fight, "called" the Sonnen fight (shut up svang, you know that one is mine), among others. I feel Frankie lost the first one, but you were right on the second one and i half heartedly agreed because i was rooting for bj. I agreed on Cain too, but not after his second fight in the ufc, I usually need more convincing. I was confident in him after the Kongo fight because of the punches he ate and still stay composed and won. Sonnen,.....I was nervous for AS because I always felt it would take a strong wrestler with great cardio and sub to beat anderson, but with failing drug screen, he lost credibility with me

I think MMA is unique in that regard, that you can have upsets like that, if the styles bear it out.

For example, while I think Bisping could (key word) beat AS, if the rumored fight that really could be next for Bisping happens, with Sonnen, I would take Sonnen for sure, because his wrestling would likely totally negate Bisping's effectiveness. bisping's striking is not dangerous, but he's good at moving in and out, and has a good jab. AS is a better counter puncher so because bisping picks his shots, he may not get Dan Henderson ko'd but he I don't think he'll beat anderson standing. His best chance is to try to do what Chael did. But bisping isn't exactly a testosterone induced Chael. And yea, Chael is a bad matchup for Bisping

I do find it funny though that people get so freaked out when you say stuff like this, I mean, do you expect them to go on winning forever?
They will be beat, and when it happens, most people will be surprised that it could happen.
But, it happens all the time in this sport.
Not long ago, people were wondering if anyone in the world could actually beat Lyoto Machida. Now people think you crazy if you take him over Rampage.

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[hamato_yoshii]

Again, to be clear, I said that Bisping could beat Silva, not the he will, or that his style equates to a win.
I think that his style could potentially really frustrate AS, and maybe cause him to make a mistake.
Another big reason is, I believe that Bisping is different than most fighters who get in the cage with AS, in that he will believe that he will beat AS.

If it was easy to predict who would dethrone these guys, everyone would know, and it would be no big deal. It isn't easy, and there just isn't a Jon Jones at 170 or 185 coming to get these guys.

 

[Clay]

my problem with sonnen, is not only does he run his mouth too much and goes overboard, but his thing with the high level of testosterone that got detected. I believe, and it's my opinion that he cheated on purpose no matter what excuse he tried to use about his body not being able to produce enough so he needed injections. i feel that he has been cheating for his last few fights, he has never ever in his career been this strong and has never had the cardio like he does today. it was like he had it overnight against miller, okami, nate and then anderson.

That's the thing about testosterone (and pro hormones), the abundance of test makes your body stop producing it. Long term usage *can* permanently shut you down or minimize your own production - thus necessitating the need for injections. I know there are legitimate users of testosterone therapy, but does anyone *really* believe he wasn't using to get stronger? Not me. He is a cheater, but I think most of them are as well.

Test isn't good for cardio, however. It raises cholesterol and bloats you, so the aspect of his cardio would not be helped by testosterone usage.

 

[SumoNinja]

That's the thing about testosterone (and pro hormones), the abundance of test makes your body stop producing it. Long term usage *can* permanently shut you down or minimize your own production - thus necessitating the need for injections. I know there are legitimate users of testosterone therapy, but does anyone *really* believe he wasn't using to get stronger? Not me. He is a cheater, but I think most of them are as well.

Test isn't good for cardio, however. It raises cholesterol and bloats you, so the aspect of his cardio would not be helped by testosterone usage.

the abundance of tests makes your body stop producing it? i don't think that's true, all you need to do is pee

but many wrestlers use it because of the pressure to compete and make weight and rehydrate fast, and because of the high usage for long periods of time, yes, their body will stop producing or not produce enough. So you will see wrestlers that have wrestled a long time have to turn to testosterone injections. If I'm not mistaken, Dan Henderson and Matt Hughes has admitted to needing injections in the past. but don't quote me

yea, majority knows chael cheated or believed he did