Under stocked vs over stocked...

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Many people here are going after each other with completely different visions of "overstocked." Therefore, thread remains non-constructive. I think most here agree that JDM tanks are an embarrassment to the hobby, but we need to find a common ground on what is overstocked, and what isn't. And since that won't happen, pointless thread.


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Japanese domestic market.

Seriously though some people here are spoiled by the available space, money etc that living in US offers ;)

While not advocating JDM type tanks, within reason, fish can thrive for many many years in confined spaces.

Anyway, I posted my tank on the overstocked thread...I compensate by increasing my filter capacity and all my fish are happy(and no, they don't run into each other when trying to turn ;) )
 
I guess pointless is a subjective term, this thread is probably pointless to many people.

Stocking topics come up almost every day, most JDM discussions are neatly tucked away in their respective folders under non stocking titles.

Here's a recent "is this overstocked?" discussion from the CA/SA folder.




The responses that follow are classic, those with experience with the species in question, and various tank sizes required for long term success warning what the most likely result will be (as in, I wouldn't if I was you), those that have zero experience with large tanks and/or most/all of these species adding their 2 cents worth (get one of everything!), those that don't appear to give a rats azz one way or the other (let 'em do what they want!), and those that compare their overtocked tank with completely different, and mostly non aggressive species, with the list of killers that the OP has posted. (hey look, it works for me!)

While it may be pointless to argue, members of MFK should thank their lucky stars that some of the more experienced members still take time out of their daily schedule and attempt to help those that come here seeking help. Sometimes some people may not like the answer, or even the way that the answer is presented, but it's not like anyone here is getting paid for their input.



As far as natural behaviour, not much that we do as hobbyists would be considered the same as in nature, but that shouldn't mean that we attempt to force a round peg into a square hole, either. This hobby should be less about what can be done, and more about what should be done.

The more JDM ones tank becomes, the more it becomes like a commercial aquaculture facility, which is really all that JDM tanks were originally based on. With a decent sized flow-through system you can pack fish in like sardines in a can, or as the major stated a bunch of people standing in an elevator.

Like the tilapia crammed into the commercial system below.

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If I cropped the photo, many might easily mistake this as a JDM style tank posted on MFK.



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Neill, i think that there is not one person who finds this facility tank, or your cropped pix, as way of keeping fish. This is animal cruelty, period.

And this is not what I mean when I speak about jdm tanks and that i like watchimg them for the mastership that maintaining them represents.
 
dogofwar said:
I question whether fish like RTCs, Pbass, Umbees, Pimas, Pacu, Pangassius, etc. are even suitable for 99% of home aquaria. Let alone one or more of them all of them packed into a single 6' or 8' tank. Sure you can keep them alive for awhile but come on, how many aquarists are able to support their needs for life...or actually do so in practice (after the novelty has worn off but the responsibility of caring for them is not)? Or even a few years. Very, very few, I'd bet.

Matt

I completely agree with you. Some of those fish should not even be available in the trade.

That would solve a lot of issues. Such as 15 year olds buying rtc.....
 
If I put a RTC in my tank...in a couple of years, I'll have to cut him up or cut my tank up to get it out...much like those rescue operations of obese bed bound people.
 
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