URGENT: What's wrong with our lsn?

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its an ammonia spike it hapened to me as well do regular water changes and DO NOT FEED YOUR FISH add more aeration to the tank
 
IMHO, from what you say there is no reason whatsoever to think there was an ammonia spike of any magnitude, even less so a lethal one. All tests are fine and you most obviously know what you are doing and how to test the water and what kit to use, etc.

If he is in a separate tank, I'd try the medication I suggested asap. It is quite effective as a bath too, need not to be administered only via food.

If you can't find it, another broad spectrum antibiotic can be tried, such as penicillin, bi-furan (a 2:1 mix of nitrofurazone and furazolidone; gram-positive bacteria), less so a med from the tetracycline group (for gram-negative bacteria)...

Septicemia is not contagious.
 
thebiggerthebetter said:
To me, this resembles hemorrhagic septicemia - usually the last step of a series or unfortunate events and ailments. It is the infection of blood and is mostly deadly. Caught in time, there is a roughly 50-50 chance but it is not easy. Erythromycin (phosphate or base dihydrate) could be tried (they will wipe out your filter too). I didn't like that you stated in your 1st thread that LSN's behavior changed when the TSN was introduced - you said he became a picky eater. My guess, it has something to do with it. Perhaps a bacterial infection was introduced.
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As soon as I saw the picture I the same as you. looks like Hemmorragic Septicemia which is a bacterial infection of the blood. I do differ as far as treatment goes, i would use Triple sulfa as it is more effective against aerobic gram-negative bacteria while Erythromycin is most effective for gram-positive bacteria where Streptococcus sp. is the suspected cause. Either way it may be too late for this fish, however if you wish to try since the fish is isolated treat with 3X sulfa. Sulfa is not hard on nitrifying bacteria so you do have to worry about whiping out your BB during treatment. GL.
 
Where do you get these medications? Is it something you can get at a pet store or would we have to go through a vet? Other than a case of ich in another tank a while back, we've never had to treat a fish for illness so that's new to us. Thanks so much for the help guys!!! I feel that it's definitely too late for him, although he's still trying to hang in there, but this is all good info to have (and if we can, we'll try with him).
 
All the medications mentioned in this thread should be available at your LFS or Petsmart.
 
Aquanero said:
As soon as I saw the picture I the same as you. looks like Hemmorragic Septicemia which is a bacterial infection of the blood. I do differ as far as treatment goes, i would use Triple sulfa as it is more effective against aerobic gram-negative bacteria while Erythromycin is most effective for gram-positive bacteria where Streptococcus sp. is the suspected cause. Either way it may be too late for this fish, however if you wish to try since the fish is isolated treat with 3X sulfa. Sulfa is not hard on nitrifying bacteria so you do have to worry about whiping out your BB during treatment. GL.
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Thanks, Tom! Is it known that the bacteria that causes Hem. Sept. is one and the same in all cases? And if yes, is it known what type is it, gram-positive or gram-negative? You appear to say it is gram-negative. Just seeking elaboration and confirmation and new knowledge for me, if you will.

Aquanero said:
All the medications mentioned in this thread should be available at your LFS or Petsmart.
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Chains IME carry little or no antibiotics and other meds (perhaps only in FL?) and they differ too: PetSuperMarket has no meds but Petsmart has them but they have a resident vet too. I think the ones that don't, cannot carry the meds (in FL only?). Hardcore LFSs do. They are all on line too with overnight shipping.
 
Aeromonas, which is gram negative, lactose-fermenting bacteria is the main causes of hemorrhagic septicemia, which like Pop-eye is more of a symptom of some underlying condition. overcrowding, poor filtration, high ammonia, nitrite, nitrate levels, unstable pH along with high amounts of organic decomposition are some of the underlying causes. Furan 2 is excelent for this in lower Ph environments, while 3x sulfa is a better choice in higher Ph values of say ~7.2 and up while there is some over lap of effectiveness in the middle ranges. Kanamycn combined with either two of these is a great choice if either doesn't work alone.
 
i think that can be septicemia, intoxication for aliments or amonia, the amonia can afect in few hours and the fhish intoxication dont dissapear easy of the fish later of remobe water, i really have lost 2 catfish for similar symptoms, the fishes die in no more of 2 days in mi case
 
Okay, got the Triple Sulfa and just got home with it (had a class for work today that I couldn't miss). This morning I thought he was a goner but he actually is a little more alert tonight and is less red. Definitely not okay but a little better. Question (because I got confused, sorry)...should we remove the media from the filter first? We just have foam, ceramic rings and a nitrazorb packet in there right now.


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