UV...who needs it?

[Jessica Dring]

Not butting in. I was contributing before your post varanio. So I have as much right to post as you do without you saying I'm butting in.

I told you I didn't know about long term, but short term I saw the effects. Have you got any proof as a means to believe iguanas (or other animals also needing UV) don't need it?

This is my question, where your means for questioning it has sprouted from?

 

[varanio]

Go back and re read what I wrote, I SPECIFICAllY stated that there was no experience with green iguanas, I have Cyclura and I keep them outdoors so I guess that wouldnt be applicable to discuss now would it. My example is with bearded dragons have kept and bred them for the last 13 years. Is that enough proof for you were the pictures enough for you or are you looking for further proof, if thats the case I cant because I dont write books and journal articles, I keep and breed them for the fun of it.

Cheers

 

[malawi haps]

The only one I have experience with are basilisks .I can affirmatively say the use of uv is very essencial .With out it test subjects have develpoed bone fractures and weakened bone structures in their legs also refered to as mbd(metabolic bone disease).Even with supplementation and absence of uvb basikisks can develope mbd.As well as the plume and crest on test subjects ( males) are neerly half the size as subjects exposed to uv.Coloration is duller as well in subjects not exsposed to uvb. This is based on my own personal testing as well as others over a period of years not weeks . I am not trying to prove anyone wrong or right .I am meerly stating facts based on my personal experience with this one sole species basiliscus plumifrons.

 

[Jessica Dring]

But is that to say beardies don't benefit at all from UV??

 

[loconorc]

I just read in the latest Reptiles magazine that the the Fan-Footed Geckos also benefit from UV light.

They dont know what theyre talking about half the time.... Some of their articles stand out among the others, but most of them are just the same ol' same ol'. Its just newspaper, UV, crickets, and incubation temps for each and every one until someone intelligent comes along and writes a good article about once a year...

 

[evilxyardxgnome]

I believe they are the same company that puts out the Aquarium Fish magazine, which has a lot of good articles.

 

[loconorc]

Yeah they are. (the old guy who sells subscriptions follows me around at expos...) Doesnt mean they write good articles. Its an entirely different group of writers and contributors. And with fish Im sure the care isnt that much different between species then herps. If they werent, we wouldnt see tanks with so many multiple species all over the place.

 

[Ophiuchus]

Varanios, I was just going to contact some of the well-known agamid breeders and ask what lighting they rear their stock under. If you want to argue semantics, I suppose that falls under the category of "homework" and not field research. Sorry for the confusion.

Again, I'm not disagreeing with you entirely; I just want to do some follow-up investigation into the matter. Right now, I'm just going on your word that some of your friends up north do this, along with those two pics of your beardie. Sorry, but I'm just a little skeptical when only one person is telling me something that contrasts heavily with everything I know about the issue.

I wish I was made of money and could test all of this on animals of my own, but its just not in the cards.

 

[varanio]

Lets take it to the extreme, Ophi which you love to do because you love to invite drama into the forum. I dont think a 2.99 green anole is deemed fit as a huge monetary extraction from your funds. Start there, and then see where it takes you. Youre contacting of the various agamid breeders is just as stated you gathering other peoples research and presenting it here. Mere reiteration. Ill help you out with that, the largest breeder of agamids in the US. Agamid international, holds most if not all his stock outside, wouldnt really apply to what you are trying to argue since we are speaking of UV light indoors, right? I wont speak of Uros and iguanas again I dont keep them, and I dont think too many people are breeding them with the exception of a few breeders here or there, nothing in a large scale due to the influx of mass importation which is much cheaper for so called "breeders" who claim skinny dehydrated animals being cb.

Im not getting into any games of semantics, I was actually supporting your cause and was looking for you to actually bring some concrete evidence about this whole thing, you must of taken it the wrong way and personal as you do with everyone else's points that just merely question what you are saying. Thats too bad because I actually thought this would be a turning point for you, and you would actually have something to contribute after you did your own research. Too bad.

Again please learn to read, i stated that all the work that is done is on cyclura I never stated Green Iguanas were part of the subject in hand. Again BEARDED DRAGONS and CYCLURA........thats all I have worked with, monitors you already mentioned dont need it and I AGREE with you on that.

 

[varanio]

The only one I have experience with are basilisks .I can affirmatively say the use of uv is very essencial .With out it test subjects have develpoed bone fractures and weakened bone structures in their legs also refered to as mbd(metabolic bone disease).Even with supplementation and absence of uvb basikisks can develope mbd.As well as the plume and crest on test subjects ( males) are neerly half the size as subjects exposed to uv.Coloration is duller as well in subjects not exsposed to uvb. This is based on my own personal testing as well as others over a period of years not weeks . I am not trying to prove anyone wrong or right .I am meerly stating facts based on my personal experience with this one sole species basiliscus plumifrons.

This is what I was looking for, someone with hands on experience about the subject over a course of time, not just a few days here, or there or whatever time it takes to read a piece of paper and citing quotes from it. Hands on experience that actually dealt with the subjects hands on.

Thanks