Validity Of Non-Live/Preparred Foods

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Well I think this article has conviced me to rethink my feeding of stirctly non-live foods. I think once my pbass get large enough I'm going to go to my local hatchery and buy some shiners (I think they're shiners). I've got a 20 long I keep for quarantine and I think that'll be my feeder tank. Are shiners an acceptable feeder? I hate the thought of feeding my bass goldfish! The shiners I'm more comfortable with and I think they would make a more substantial meal.
My question to you guys that feed live regularly and quarantine-under what conditions do you keep your quarantine tanks? Temp? Any medications present in the water i.e. copper? What would be ideal foods to gutload the feeders with (high protein, vegetable matter, ?)?
 
I feed non-live to my monos and I get probably less than 1/2" of growth a month out of them with weekly 50-60% water changes in a 170gal. I do not power feed them at all. My goal has been to make sure they never get skinny, and never to fat, and the slower growth is definitely not bugging me as it means I can ease into a heftier tank maintenance schedule. I am now starting to think that I may start to feed them feeders again as they were growing at a much faster rate when I did, I just always had this horrible fear that I would loose them to a parasite or something.
 
very good info from everyone here. I have a question, has anyone here tried to breed marble crayfish and feed that to your cichla? Perhaps that may be a good idea? Marble crays breed like crazy and your fish would enjoy live food.
 
mkman;2994059; said:
very good info from everyone here. I have a question, has anyone here tried to breed marble crayfish and feed that to your cichla? Perhaps that may be a good idea? Marble crays breed like crazy and your fish would enjoy live food.

workin on that at the moment! No eggs yet =/
 
Scatocephalus;2991869; said:
Have any of you ever watched your Peas hunt? It is amazing! As the feeders hide and dart around under the driftwood the Peas watch very intently slowly stalking them until an opportunity presents itself and then Wham! I have seen some very interesting behaviour by feeding in this manner.


Hunting and watching Peas hunt :)

How bout this... Have you ever seen an Ambush SPAWN????:eek:


I am a Live feeding Freak! I feed all the Live FISH I can get my hands on. LARGE SUNFISH INCLUDED....


Most my Live Fish comes from the local breeders... They bring mainly Cichlids and Cichlid culls they do not have use for anymore and cannot sell...

Presently they usually range between 4-6"... The last batch was between 3-4"..

Now you wanna see a fish taht is REALLY good at not being eatin!! Drop a Ciprichromis Black fin in your tank.. or 3.... Still They disappeared and some african enhtusiests weren't happy about it.. but hey! They were given to me.

Once I started feeding Cichlids and other Faster moving fish than Goldfish.. IS when the REAL fun began.:)

Excellent topic Scat!
 
Here is one of my favorite live feeding videos.. The whole experience took about 12 minutes.. The video is long.. But It is worth it in my opinion. Shows many things on how Cichla eat.


The Aro ended up with the females meal..

But the video demonstrates in my opinion some things that I feel everyone will find interesting.


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The difference in Eating live food and not is apparent int his vid too :D

Thsi vid was rough.... And not clear... But still Shows the BEAST in Cichla!!


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Vid was first showed in this thread :D

http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=188904
 
One major beef I have with feeders is pathogens. Most of the LFS sold feeders need to be dewormed, treated, gutloaded before being "safe" to feed one's prized fish.

Second major beef with feeders: What a mess! As the emperors strike 3" feeders BEWM! ...little sparkles everywhere, scales. Not to mention that the male, what a prick, as soon as he had swallowed a few of them whole ...well, what do you know, he'd spit the heads out, seriously, he only ate the good stuff.

I moved to another city before putting together a "self-sufficient" system. My intention was to pair up a couple Midas, or something that has a good ratio/spawn and accelerated growth rate. A decent pair spawns at least once a month, anywhere +/- 1000/spawn, growth rate in a month is +/- 1", perfect snack bits to be swallowed whole.

I'm actually working on the above, with Jack Dempseys and convicts for now, gotta see if it will work for my rays. The Emperors and Frontosas are on NLS Thera-A diet until I get back to Vancouver.

Scatocephalus;2991869; said:
One of my best memories regarding my Cichla is when I threw a bunch of small, live crawdads into the tank that I had caught out of a local resevoir. Watching the Cichla try and decide what to do with these little bugs running around their tank was amazing. At first they approached with interest and curiosity but great caution. They would suck them in and spit them right back out. I saw crawdads latch onto the lips of the Peas and the Peas freak out trying to dislodge them. It took the Peas a few minutes to figure out the best direction to grab them and avoid getting nailed by the claws but they were soon very efficient at dispatching any crawdad that dared show it's face. Watching the Peas hunt the crawdads was incredible. It is these types of activities that I feel these fish need to keep them interested and active.

Again, thanks all for participating. Let's keep hearing about your experinces and what you feed. In the end it benefits everyone here. :headbang2

Of course live food is very rewarding in all terms: nutrition, fish demeanor (there's always a rare treat to see fish use their natural instincts).

There's only one similar case I recall with my Boulengerochromis that left me in awe. There was this male Lobochilotes labiatus that every now and then would piss the living crap out of the male emperor. The Lobo would run for his life, dart under a pile of rocks, exit on the opposite side of the rock pile, and he would dart to the other side of the tank for safety. Needless to say, a couple of those episodes in I catch the male Boulengerochromis chasing the Lobo (a good 7") to the pile AND quickly he snapped above the rocks and BEWM caught the Lobo mid body up top his spine as he was coming out from the rock pile on the opposite side he entered. He didn't die, but the roughing up he got that day was enough to keep him away from Mr. Muscles.

Big fish in general are smarter, or at least we judge them such. Never a moment spent in front of the tank, or next to it, while watching TV, that the Boulengerochromis pair would not come next to where I was and WATCH me... many times I felt like a case study and imagined some funny dialogues going on...
 
The problem is i think alot of ppl think they will save money by going to pellets or prepackaged frozen foods. This is not the case though, as many would know even if your cichla eat pellets, it takes more then a few handfulls to fill up one of these monster fish. I think as most have stated a varied diet is better then just one or the other. I think a home made food is good with a mix of live that you have been in control of for some time. This means they will be fed quality food and be disease free before being consumed by your cichla.
Ive had my little guys for 3 months now. When i got them they were about 1-2 cm. In three months they are now about 3 inches and starting to show colour, all fed on frozen or man made food. Problem is in australia feeders are the most expensive option usually and quality is almost always an issue. i know when my feeder tank is set up i will add fedders to my guys diet, but only to spice things up a bit and the fact i found someone selling feeders cheap :)
 
More live Feed vids By Monsterfishkeepers members ;)

http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=137107


The Trust post # 10 has Two Awesome And Short Videos!!! Showing just what Cichla go through probably on a more regualr basis that thought. When they grab a fish... Many times they likely go through this kind of ferocity;)
 
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