viper identification..

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I dont mind about your insult, I dont hate you, I dont hate anybody. Its understandable. Your all trying to talk me out of it, of how dangerous and the potential threat to myself and to the public (I understand that, im not a 16 y/o) :D

Just like my dad said "Why the heck your getting a 200mph car when the road limit is 60!"

I know what I am doing :) but I still have to check if my new place allow it or not (lets hope they do) :D

I have friends that live in downtown Toronto and have to work in Barrie... 2 hours drive no problem..
Id just have to press the gas pedal a little harder to compensate the time and distance :P

Researched 3 months before I even got my first snake "ball python" And this is just the planning stage, if i really do want to get it, it wont happen till next summer ;) Im not an impulsive buyer ^^

Ive kept snake before, columbian boa, corn snake and python..
Got bitten by corn snake before..
 
Okay people, listen up.
Keeping "hots" is a touchy subject.
I don't reccomend it myself but if someone decides to do so that is their choice.
If you have advice just give it without name calling or flaming.
I think that the best advice given in this thread so far was the bit about finding a mentor, anyone have any suggestions on finding one or a local "hots" club for this guy?
Also, any reccomendations for a safer venomous snake to start with, mine is the night snake (Hypsiglena torquata), this is the only "hot" I have ever kept myself. It's venom is not dangerous to people, though it is painful. Usually mild tempered, I handled mine a lot and it never offered to bite.

Thank you for your restraint on your replies fishes33.
 
I have friends that live in downtown Toronto and have to work in Barrie... 2 hours drive no problem..
Id just have to press the gas pedal a little harder to compensate the time and distance :P
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What does this have to do with anything?:confused:

Ive kept snake before, columbian boa, corn snake and python..
Got bitten by corn snake before..
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Thats great, but still very inadequate experience to boast of before getting a hot.

I know what I am doing :) but I still have to check if my new place allow it or not (lets hope they do) :D
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See...this is what I have a problem with. I know you've said you're gonna research this more, but that's just not enough. You're still planning to get this animal simply because you're able to. You need to spend time (not on the internet) with people who work with hots to get the necessary experience. Just because you don't "have to" do all that doesn't mean you shouldn't.
 
guppy;1285088; said:
Also, any reccomendations for a safer venomous snake to start with.
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He knows which one he wants.

We are NOT trying to talk you out of this. This is where your incapable of understanding. We are saying YOUR not ready so SHOULDN'T get one YET. Because you shouldn't. We are NOT trying to talk you out of anything.

By the way. I'm 15 and I understand a threat to me and the public by keeping hots (hence why I decided I didn't ever want one). So I don't think age should be used as an example of misunderstanding.
 
Alright... think about it this way:

You own a hot? What if you get bitten? You have to go to a hospital where they will only treat native venom. In your area, that means the only anti-venin on their hand off the bat they will have is for the The Eastern Massasauga Rattlesnake, (Sistrurus catenatus). If you are unlucky, all they will have in addition to the Eastern Massasauga is the Prairie Rattlesnake (Crotalus viridis) anti-venin.

Now if you buy your own anti-venin, doctors WILL NOT use it since they would have no idea what dosage to use, how to use and or what it is for. Even if you do get them, they do expire after every couple of years and they are EXPENSIVE into the couple of thousands for one vial. Usually you need multiple vials; sometimes you would need upward of 20 or more vials to treat the venom if it is serious enough. Now there is the OAVB, but they are POORLY funded and will probably not have the anti-venin you need. If they don't have what you need, then they would have to get it across the border which take time. Time is money; time is your depleting lifeline. To add to the burn of the stupidity of getting bitten, the universal medicare doesn't seem to be so universal anymore; you will have to pay for the health care you received. That alone can easily put you into a bind.

If you do recover from it, usually it is some nasty scar. Imagine having to explain that to people how you get some of those ugly residues from one of your bites? They would think you are a crazy bad-boy snake-keeper and use you to justify banning exotics. On top of that, doctors are required to report injuries such as these and it is not too hard for the media, Humane Society, animal rights group, and anti-exotic groups to grab a hold of these information. In fact, if it wasn't for a few reptile-keepers such as D. Pogue, you wouldn't be able to keep your Corn Snake or your Ball Python. Do you really want to wreck their efforts? It take one bad publicity to destroy years of good work.

At least think of the consequences. Not only you are responsible for your animals, yourself, your family and your neighbourhood, you are also responsible for the entire reptile hobby and exotic hobby in your province as well across the nation. It is a heavy financial burden to yourself as well.

So if you still want that Eyelash Viper, do it in an area that is legal and take every steps of precaution to keeping it safe from itself and everyone else and be prepared to live with the burdens that every serious hot-keepers carry in their daily life.
 
Sorry for double-posting, but the above is already an essay-long response.

If you really want to keep venomous without the risks, look into look-a-likes. There are some boas in the Pacific that look like ground vipers in the same area; African Vine Snakes look a lot like Green Mambas and Boomslangs depending on the species.

There is probably more look-a-likes I am missing here.
 
Kioka;1285287; said:
At least think of the consequences. Not only you are responsible for your animals, yourself, your family and your neighbourhood, you are also responsible for the entire reptile hobby and exotic hobby in your province as well across the nation. It is a heavy financial burden to yourself as well.
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Right on.
 
i've heard of de-venoming poisonous snakes.Thats just what I've heard.
 
Tomhankstheshark;1285363; said:
i've heard of de-venoming poisonous snakes.Thats just what I've heard.
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No vet is going to make venomoids. Most of them are done by people who don't know what they are doing in garages. Plus if they do it wrong, the removed organs or glands can grow back within a matter of weeks or months.
 
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