Polypterus;2066189; said:
I heard him utter those words too. I stopped hoping for any intellegence out of the man years ago, so for me his statement went in one ear and out the other.
War in Russia!
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I heard him utter those words too. I stopped hoping for any intellegence out of the man years ago, so for me his statement went in one ear and out the other.
Miguel;2067022; said:
The propaganda that America was fed for decades is that Russia's military is old and decrepid with only a touch of new technology thrown in. This came from Russia's practice of keeping older equipment in service in comparison to America constantly replacing dated equipment with new technology. Under former President Putins ledership, Russia had decommissioned much of the older equipment and modernized the military.
I agree with you that a direct conflict between Russia and the U.S. would not be pretty.
In the begining I was for the Russians. But they are moving in towards other cities in Georgia that have no relevance to the disputed areas at hand.
This can and probably will be seen as an attempt of conquest. There is no reason for Russia to enter into Gori nor the capital.
In fact I would probably think that the best idea for Russia right now is to just sit on the disputed territories and wait for further instruction from the U.N.
The United States has to get involved and stick its nose in this situation because we have oil coming in from the caspian towrds Turkey, if the Russians seize that oil line then we're gonna have a problem because now they will be threatening national interest.
As long as the Russians dont mess with the oil then I really could care less if they wanna go ape sh** on Georgia and level everything for fun.
This can and probably will be seen as an attempt of conquest. There is no reason for Russia to enter into Gori nor the capital.
In fact I would probably think that the best idea for Russia right now is to just sit on the disputed territories and wait for further instruction from the U.N.
The United States has to get involved and stick its nose in this situation because we have oil coming in from the caspian towrds Turkey, if the Russians seize that oil line then we're gonna have a problem because now they will be threatening national interest.
As long as the Russians dont mess with the oil then I really could care less if they wanna go ape sh** on Georgia and level everything for fun.
not even for oil will the US intervene ( and oil is, in fact, what triggered this issue ). US national interests lies in not messing in russian affairs. That's "Real Politik", for us..
Why on earth would anyone other than russians themselves take the side of Russia? You who like to use history, here I give you one. The Georgians have been under Russian opression for about 250 years maybe more. And to say that the people of some small portion of Georgia belongs to russia, thats wrong, After the WWII Stalin who himself was Georgian sent russians to live there and breed out the georgian population. I you dont believe my look at history. Also the georgians fought the Nazis bravely in defence of the soviel union, only to have stalin send nkvd to purge their people. I think that we have forgoten Just what the russians have done to their neighbors. Also the current trend in Russia is Slavic nationalism, sort of similar to nazis. The russians want to rid their country and its formor holding of non slavic russians this is happening inside russia, as well as their formor holdings. This has been Putins plans all along. I find it really ironic that Germany did the same thing that the russians did with Georgia, Germany blamed Poland of killing germans within Poland, so they could declare war and then invade. Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it.
who, here, is taking the russian side? I was merely stating the fact that nobody, but nobody, will intervene in an issue the russians consider their problem.
Even if yours and ours (european ) interests are at stake, namely because of the oil pipeline that goes from Azerbaijan to Georgia and there to Turkey or by ship to Europe, nobody will intervene.
It is a matter of course that the russians are no democrats ( and are far less western oriented than georgians ) and that they use international law concepts at their own pleasure, as they see fit. They opposed Kosovo's independence, now they defend Abkhazia's and South Ossetia's. They accuse the georgians of committing genocide against the Osssets and did exactly the same thing in Chechnia.
Nobody was siding with the russians.
What I was saying is that be it the way it is ( and there is only one way it is going to end ) no country, no organization, nobody will intervene.
What I also was saying is that the west ( and the US in particular ) should not go lightly on the issue of tackling the russians. I believe that, in conventional warfare, and, moreover, in their geographic vicinity, they would beat the US ( not even speaking about western europe ).
Even if yours and ours (european ) interests are at stake, namely because of the oil pipeline that goes from Azerbaijan to Georgia and there to Turkey or by ship to Europe, nobody will intervene.
It is a matter of course that the russians are no democrats ( and are far less western oriented than georgians ) and that they use international law concepts at their own pleasure, as they see fit. They opposed Kosovo's independence, now they defend Abkhazia's and South Ossetia's. They accuse the georgians of committing genocide against the Osssets and did exactly the same thing in Chechnia.
Nobody was siding with the russians.
What I was saying is that be it the way it is ( and there is only one way it is going to end ) no country, no organization, nobody will intervene.
What I also was saying is that the west ( and the US in particular ) should not go lightly on the issue of tackling the russians. I believe that, in conventional warfare, and, moreover, in their geographic vicinity, they would beat the US ( not even speaking about western europe ).
Im not saying that anyone should or shouldnt get involved. Our serbian buddy poly thinks russians are great, and he would being serbian you guys are just displaced russians anyway. What I am merely pointing out that russia has always been this way with the black sea region. Before communism even the times of the Czar. Russia has alot of land that they dont belong on, and never should have. Georgia is one of these places. Talk to some one in Poland or Ukraine if they think russia has the right to cruch Georgia, i would think that they have a very differnt opinion. As for the media in the US being bias, this is the first time in a great while where they have reported the truth. Watch the russain media for your filtered propoganda
xspainx69;2067141; said:
America went against UN on Iraq? (or Afganistan? Was it one of the 2?)
CHOMPERS;2067112; said:
Sorry to sound/be arrogant/ignorant but you can't deny it would also be very interesting...
stonecat;2067570; said:
Don't forget what America did to the Indians, and Australia did to its Aboriginals. Almost all countries tend to do that at some point.
Stone Like Fish;2067911; said:
What part of global destruction sounds interesting? Instant incineration, or a slow lingering illness.
Either way, no matter who we choose to support, noone on this thread looked to the economic impact for the U.S. This is huge people. The recession just got worse.
On the other hand, this is AWESOME for people like me. Job openings galore!
On the other hand, this is AWESOME for people like me. Job openings galore!
