What do you believe is cruelty or abuse when it comes to fish?

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^ by him saying coral I'm guessing he mainly means reef fish and coral, which in most cases are irresponsibly harvested.. I've seen videos of dead reefs from it, freshwater though is different, collectors don't take nearly as much as in the reef industry

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I guess Surperatedfan is getting rid of all his fish. Does he not know where all of our fish came from. This thread is starting to sound like an add for PETA to end our hobby and the pet business in whole. Somebody posts wanting higher standards for bird keeping and clipping their wings is bad. It is far better if your bird flies out an open door and starves to death or is killed by a predator. Another person posts we should never touch our fish without their consent. Which I can only assume means leave them in the wild untouched.
I said it earlier here you guys are giving PETA the HSUS and other groups like that all the ammo they need to destroy our hobby. There is an old saying divide and conquer and all of this talk here is dividing us.
 
Wow, Wild Bill, you are taking this way out of context. Keeping a bird un-clipped is not exactly a revolutionary and extremist idea. Many bird keepers do not clip wings, and I for one never will. Your bird won't fly out of a door or window if you are careful. For instance, as I said Chubby (my parrot) has an in-home aviary. He also has run of the house while I'm home, when I'm home I make sure windows are closed and doors are locked, to insure nobody will barge in. It's not that hard and I really am offended that you think my methods of bird-keeping are inhumane, I can guarantee it is much more humane than clipping a bird and forcing it to live a sedentary life. In the wild parrots fly many miles a day, it's not fair to just keep them as decorations just because they are colorful and may learn to talk.

This doesn't sound like a PETA thread at all, PETA is extremist, they don't want anyone owning ANY pets. My philosophy is that keeping pets is fine, if you do your research and are committed to giving them good lives. I hardly think talking about the most humane way to keep fish is detrimental to the hobby. My God..

Also, I previously explained what the poster probably meant by "consent". Consent means not chasing your fish around the tank with your hands for your own pleasure (in order to pet it, poke it, hold it, etc). There are a LOT of people who do this, surprisingly. I've seen it in kids and adults who are not educated about fish care. Taking your fish out in order to medicate it, clean the tank, move tanks, etc is perfectly fine.
 
+1 to everything said, and about the birds, I see clipping wings as pointless. As was said, you don't HAVE to clip wings, lazy people get it done so they don't have to worry so much. So sacrificing the animals main mode of transportation just so they are easier to handle in my eyes is sadistic, not just cruel. If your down with that and stuff like that ( e.g. tattooing, dying, piercing fish) then you should probably stop arguing your point to a bunch of people who care about animals

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Exactly, BuffaloPolpteridae, thank you. We shouldn't sacrifice an animal's happiness just because it makes us more comfortable. Dying, tattooing, and piercing fish is insanely selfish, we just like the way it looks, not taking into account the fact that it doesn't better the fish's life in any way. It's actually detrimental. Same goes with cutting the wings of parrots and other birds. I've heard people say it makes them more tame and less likely to bite. If you want a tame animal that doesn't bite, doesn't fly, doesn't scream, etc, you shouldn't get a parrot. Go get a puppy.
 
Go back now and read your last couple of comments and tell me then that PETA would never say those words. It is exactly what PETA would say clipping feathers on a birds wing is no more painful than a hair cut. There are these little things called accidents that are sometimes out of our control. So to say that someone who would clip a parrots wing is lazy and shouldn't have one that is cruel. If I paid 2000 dollars for a Parrot I don't want to see it fly out the door because of a accident. You 2 are the luckiest people I know if you have never had an accident. As for taking this to far you guys are blind what groups like PETA have done already and will continue to do. Our comments on here will be used against us some day just take a look at what has happened in England. My family is living in constant distress because of these groups and that is cruelty. The best part is there is no protection for us from these groups. So no I am not taking this to an extreme I am bang on the money.
I am guessing none of you have ever had someone threaten you with a bomb because you own animals well we have. Guess who started it all animal rights group. Wonderful people with no regard for human life or any life just what they want. Yes I am angry when I see threads like this because I know the truth.
 
wild bill said:
Go back now and read your last couple of comments and tell me then that PETA would never say those words. It is exactly what PETA would say clipping feathers on a birds wing is no more painful than a hair cut. There are these little things called accidents that are sometimes out of our control. So to say that someone who would clip a parrots wing is lazy and shouldn't have one that is cruel. If I paid 2000 dollars for a Parrot I don't want to see it fly out the door because of a accident. You 2 are the luckiest people I know if you have never had an accident. As for taking this to far you guys are blind what groups like PETA have done already and will continue to do. Our comments on here will be used against us some day just take a look at what has happened in England. My family is living in constant distress because of these groups and that is cruelty. The best part is there is no protection for us from these groups. So no I am not taking this to an extreme I am bang on the money.
I am guessing none of you have ever had someone threaten you with a bomb because you own animals well we have. Guess who started it all animal rights group. Wonderful people with no regard for human life or any life just what they want. Yes I am angry when I see threads like this because I know the truth.
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Dude, its not the fact that the parrot might feel pain while the wings are being clipped, its the fact that the bird cant fly, wich is its normal way of transportation, its like clipping a monkeys legs off, i mean sure, its can drag it selfs slowly around with its arms, but the quality of its life? You should put your parrot Down, and get a new one that you dont cripple.. Heres 2 people that has never had issues with parrots escaping, maybe your just... confused.
 
Regarding the wing clipping thing.. unless its a really tame bird I can see how it might be an advantage to not have to stress the hell out of it when trying to catch it once its loose in the house and trying to get away. I never had a pet bird though...

it's probably like declawing cats... almost a necessary evil sometimes.
 
spiff44 said:
Regarding the wing clipping thing.. unless its a really tame bird I can see how it might be an advantage to not have to stress the hell out of it when trying to catch it once its loose in the house and trying to get away. I never had a pet bird though...

it's probably like declawing cats... almost a necessary evil sometimes.
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Declawing a cat is not necessary in any instance

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