What do you believe is cruelty or abuse when it comes to fish?

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Pet stores should be required to take back the fish they sell when they are no longer wanted. There is not a pet store out there that would stock Pacu or RTC if that was the case.

Hello; So if I buy a fish and keep it in my tanks under conditions that the pet store has no control over, I can at some point just take it back. The disease issue alone could be a negative. A fish shop would also have to have a number of cycled tanks on hand at all times with the capacity to take in returned fish, another negative to staying in business.

I get the point that people buy fish they do not have the capacity to keep and house properly. Sometimes they do not know what they are getting into and later find a fish is outgrowing their tanks.
However, I have read many posts where someone buys a young fish that they know will outgrow their current tank/s with the hope they will have bigger tanks by the time it grows. My take is this rarely works out.

In over fifty years of fish keeping I have not returned a fish I purchased. I have made some poor choices and had to deal with them. I did take a large common pleco to a fish store once. A neighbor lost his house and it was take in the fish or kill it. I just did not have the space to keep it for long.

I no longer buy fish without some prior knowledge as to the tank size and conditions required. It is not the fish shop that is responsible for my decisions. As you can likely tell, I strongly disagree with this notion you propose.
 
The Lion; I would NEVER clip Chubby's wings. The vast majority of people shouldn't keep parrots as pets. But Chubby has an indoor aviary and free reign of the house when I'm here. He gets fruits, veggies, grains, and pellets for every meal as well as a vast amount of toys, perches, and attention. I think the biggest issue is parrot breeders, there are thousands in rescues, those who are willing to put the time, research, and effort into a parrot should really get one that needs a home.
 
The 'gotta have that pet' owner...ruins it for the responsible owner...I live with(I rent 2 rooms) a landlord who literally goes WEEKS between cat box cleanings(4 cat's all his...not to mention the 3 big dogs) , then complains that doing them doesn't do any good anyway cause the cats "won't go in the box anyway" I always want to respond by asking if HE would like to have to step thru a big room full of poop to get to the toilet , but that would just start a fight that would end up with him threatening to kick me out with no notice....so DAILY I clean the cat boxes and PAY for the litter ,seeing as the owner won't(because ,he says that I waste it,I actually stretch a 20 lbs box to last a month since I can't afford more)so all you people that love to complain about everything....try living with a nut bag like that for 8 years
 
The Lion; I would NEVER clip Chubby's wings. The vast majority of people shouldn't keep parrots as pets. But Chubby has an indoor aviary and free reign of the house when I'm here. He gets fruits, veggies, grains, and pellets for every meal as well as a vast amount of toys, perches, and attention. I think the biggest issue is parrot breeders, there are thousands in rescues, those who are willing to put the time, research, and effort into a parrot should really get one that needs a home.
I guess your parrot has a good a life as a parrot in captivity can have, i just cant stand people who cuts their birds wing.
 
So it's not ok to keep a bird as a pet but it's ok to keep a fish?
You may clip the wings off a bird but in your tank you confine a free swimming fish to a box. And with some people it is just a box... Bare bottom, no decorations. Which I think really sucks. But keeping fish is ok to you?
I would love for you to explain why one is ok and the other is not.


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So it's not ok to keep a bird as a pet but it's ok to keep a fish?
You may clip the wings off a bird but in your tank you confine a free swimming fish to a box. And with some people it is just a box... Bare bottom, no decorations. Which I think really sucks. But keeping fish is ok to you?
I would love for you to explain why one is ok and the other is not.


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perspective is from experience...check out my above post ..that's an entirely different level of abuse... and cat hoarders everywhere do it..it just gets discovered and reported occasionally ,,, there was actually a debate for a short time after Michael Vick's arrest about dog fighting ,was it really abuse,,,
 
So it's not ok to keep a bird as a pet but it's ok to keep a fish?
You may clip the wings off a bird but in your tank you confine a free swimming fish to a box. And with some people it is just a box... Bare bottom, no decorations. Which I think really sucks. But keeping fish is ok to you?
I would love for you to explain why one is ok and the other is not.


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And id love to explain :) When you put a fish in a tank, you confine a fishs swimming room yes. But when you clip the wings of a bird, you take away its way of transportation completly, and you force it to walk, or sit on a stick all day. For me that is different, and would be like putting a 20" fish in a 20" Width tank, or clipping the fins off a fish and forcing it to just get carried by the stream.... For me its very different.
 
Touching a fish without its consent is pretty funny. In my 20 years of fish keeping, no fish has consented to go into my net....

Trying to put common sense to written rules or laws will fail and attempt to do so will have a whole host of unintended consequences.


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So it's not ok to keep a bird as a pet but it's ok to keep a fish?
You may clip the wings off a bird but in your tank you confine a free swimming fish to a box. And with some people it is just a box... Bare bottom, no decorations. Which I think really sucks. But keeping fish is ok to you?
I would love for you to explain why one is ok and the other is not.


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And id love to explain :) When you put a fish in a tank, you confine a fishs swimming room yes. But when you clip the wings of a bird, you take away its way of transportation completly, and you force it to walk, or sit on a stick all day. For me that is different, and would be like putting a 20" fish in a 20" Width tank, or clipping the fins off a fish and forcing it to just get carried by the stream.... For me its very different.
 
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