what do you guys think? starved cichla?

[Will Hayward]

If everyone can see the fish needs help, why has no one offered any good advice? Evidently he was oblivious to the health problem and having only owned one cichla did not have enough knowledge to receive those redflags that have gotten everyone here panicked over.

Nah, that's an insulting offer. Here i'll give you $20 for you to pay $50 to ship me your fish that I have taken pity on and will bring back to health. Who is helped in that situation? The fish, possibly, but not the keeper doomed to repeat.

 

[cichlid savage]

If everyone can see the fish needs help, why has no one offered any good advice? Evidently he was oblivious to the health problem and having only owned one cichla did not have enough knowledge to receive those redflags that have gotten everyone here panicked over.

Nah, that's an insulting offer. Here i'll give you $20 for you to pay $50 to ship me your fish that I have taken pity on and will bring back to health. Who is helped in that situation? The fish, possibly, but not the keeper doomed to repeat.

Actually my second offer was for $40.00 shipped. I just had 3 fish shipped from New Jersey to me for $20.00 via UPS. He's in Pittsburgh which is much closer than NJ. BTW he hasnt responded to or commented on either offer.

And you must not have read all the other post he put here about starting a 180 this weekend etc. If it doesn't make sense then it aint true.

Additionally, common sense should tell a reasonable person that this fish is unhealthy. All you really have to do is research the fish and look at some pictures to see something is wrong. Fishkeeping is more common sense that quantum physics. WE must be responsible enough to know or learn how to properly care for ANY living creaure we take into our charge.

 

[Will Hayward]

Well I'm not in the US and shipping livestock here is quite different. Despite that, Between shipping supplies and courier costs for next morning arrival, I find it a bit skeptical that $20 would cover it. But this topic is null and void.

A tank doesn't cycle. A filter does. If hes got sufficient cycled filters to run on a 180 then he can move everything over and used use some Stability to promote more growth. I'm not going to comment on something that I don't know about beyond that though.

Knowledge gained has taught me that not everyone possesses sufficient common sense.

 

[cichlid savage]

Well I'm not in the US and shipping livestock here is quite different. Despite that, Between shipping supplies and courier costs for next morning arrival, I find it a bit skeptical that $20 would cover it. But this topic is null and void.


My intention is not to cover all his expenses but to contribute towards them. As I see it the bottom line is the fish is unhealthy, and it's his fault. He was going to sell it for $50.00 in its current state, and it's not worth anywhere near that. As a responsible fishowner the needs of the fish should outweigh any other concern. If he walked into a LFS with that fish he would get laughed at expecting money/credit for it. I dont need or really want the fish but I will take it and nurse it back to health (an endeavor that will cost more than $50.00 if it needs meds), it will also require a tank for him alone. So noone will make a profit on the transaction.

A tank doesn't cycle. A filter does. If hes got sufficient cycled filters to run on a 180 then he can move everything over and used use some Stability to promote more growth. I'm not going to comment on something that I don't know about beyond that though.

Stating "a tank doesnt cycle, a filter does", is a matter of semantics and argumentative. A filter is a part of the system as is the tank 1 without the other is useless in relation to the system. Additionally, the beneficial bacteria that is the end result of cycling is not only in the filter but the water, and the hard surfaces within the tank thusly the whole tank cycles.

Since there is no response to my inquiry about how he was going to set up the new tank i will leave that alone as well.


Knowledge gained has taught me that not everyone possesses sufficient common sense.

Ignorance is no excuse.

 

[Will Hayward]

Ignorance is the basis of all excuse.

 

[cichlid savage]

Excuses are like.............. you know how it goes.

 

[Will Hayward]

Hahah, yeah I know.

 

[Rebel Souljah]

If everyone can see the fish needs help, why has no one offered any good advice? Evidently he was oblivious to the health problem and having only owned one cichla did not have enough knowledge to receive those redflags that have gotten everyone here panicked over.

Nah, that's an insulting offer. Here i'll give you $20 for you to pay $50 to ship me your fish that I have taken pity on and will bring back to health. Who is helped in that situation? The fish, possibly, but not the keeper doomed to repeat.

the first thing in fixing your mistakes is to admit when your wrong. IMO it started off as a suggestion and he felt insulted and came up with tons of excuses so suggestions turn harsh. Hey if anyone gets butt hurt the most it would probably be me but if people are telling me somethings wrong with my fish...especially from those who have tons of experience with cichla, i would be all ears and not all excuses! How am I suppose to take a guy seriously with comments like "if he doesn't want to eat then its the fishes fault" or "if you can fix him then i dare you to buy him and fix him yourself" i mean come on! your killin' me smalls.

 

[bOOsteN aUdI]

if you read this thread from page one and all the bits and pieces of comments that mfk members posted then there is a bunch of advise here given to him... if you feed your cichla market shrimp and you have good water quality then there shouldnt be many problems. his colors may not be super bright but raw market shrimp holds a decent amount of nutrients. for everyone here THAT ACTUALLY OWNS CICHLA knows that there is no possible way a cichla will get that skinny in a few hours if you feed them market shrimp, cichla need alot of food and the rest know that if he is eating the shrimp then his stomach will bulge bc it has to go somewhere... selling a fish fish looking like that is ignorance and disrespect towards other MFK members.. ignorance is bliss... i consider myself no export but i would say that i know alot and have a bit of experience since all i keep is cichla for about 7 years now and i have never seen anything like it if you feed your cichla.. if it is a parasite then meds should cure it. the only fish that i ever cared for that actually had an internal parasite was my spike tail snook that i dripped to saltwater.. he lived for about a year and then suddenly stopped eat causing his stomach to look like that on the second day, which i never had a fish do with only 2 days with out food. the tank was a sps coral tank so meds were not an instant solution and he died on the third day. i dont know much about internal parasites but i think he would of been a goner already which leads me to believe that he has been starved. no flaming but for someone to leaves a comment ( not exact but something similar) i will treat him and if nothing happens then it is the fishes problem then they don't deserve the fish in my eyes. us cichla owners have true passion and love for our cichla.. do you know what CREAM stands for?! CICHLA RULES EVERYTHING AROUND ME because it is the truth and they sure as well do!.. there is plenty of advise and this was not a thread to flame the guy but maybe to open up his eyes a bit and warn others from buying a sick fish and may cause infection towards their other prized fish. his options are to give him to another MFK member and an awsome one at that to try to heal and better care for him, treat him for a parasite, test and make sure your water quality; temp; water change schedule is adequate, feed him better and more often (market shrimp, krill, possibly some feeders, slices of tillapia fillet... ect ect).. do some research before you buy a fish!

 

[Benito]

Well I'm not in the US and shipping livestock here is quite different. Despite that, Between shipping supplies and courier costs for next morning arrival, I find it a bit skeptical that $20 would cover it. But this topic is null and void.

A tank doesn't cycle. A filter does. If hes got sufficient cycled filters to run on a 180 then he can move everything over and used use some Stability to promote more growth. I'm not going to comment on something that I don't know about beyond that though.

Knowledge gained has taught me that not everyone possesses sufficient common sense.

man you are dumb lol