What is the best cichlid fish food pellets and flakes?

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sure, I certainly can't see a retail store promoting a food they don't carry : P

Sincebeen - you mentioned soaking raw food in vitamins. How are you doing this exactly? I've been feeding my CA's a LOT of fresh shrimp and Mysis, I'm trying to break them of it but some are stubborn to move to pellets. I worry that the raw-only fish aren't getting the vitamins they need.
 
Well I did not know I would stir up a great debate, but all the information is greatly appreciated, Thanks to all. But I think I am going to try out the extreme brand per Jeff Rapps as most of my fish have came from him and are doing great , as I believe he has probably done a lot of homework involving this issue and he had also recommended to me a spirulina based flake food.
 
I can't speak from experience about Xtreme, since I haven't tried it, but I've looked at it a couple of times and can't get past the ingredients list. Too many starch/grain products... for example, here's a partial ingredients list for Xtreme Cichlid pee wee, taken from various sellers, including Ken's:

Krill Meal, Fish Meal, Wheat Middlings, Wheat, Shrimp Meal, Dehulled Soybean Meal, Wheat Flour, Distillers Dried Grains with Soluables, Brewers Dried Yeast
Also not a fan of soybean meal (or soy products in general) in fish food because of reading studies like this. (Entertitis mentioned in the article refers to an intestinal inflammation. Distillers Dried Grains with Solubles-- if you look it up, solubles is spelled incorrectly above in their ingredients list-- is a by-product of various grains used in alcohol production, whether beer, spirits, or fuel. According to what I've read, "with solubles" simply means the resulting by-product was not fully dried before packaging.)

But that's just me, not saying don't try it. According to studies I've read (including studies of distillers grains) different species can handle varying amounts of various terrestrial plant products in their feed, with carnivorous fish often among the less tolerant of a number of these products (in terms of the percentages they can handle).
 
so what do you feed yours?
I can't speak from experience about Xtreme, since I haven't tried it, but I've looked at it a couple of times and can't get past the ingredients list. Too many starch/grain products... for example, here's a partial ingredients list for Xtreme Cichlid pee wee, taken from various sellers, including Ken's:

Also not a fan of soybean meal (or soy products in general) in fish food because of reading studies like this. (Entertitis mentioned in the article refers to an intestinal inflammation. Distillers Dried Grains with Solubles-- if you look it up, solubles is spelled incorrectly above in their ingredients list-- is a by-product of various grains used in alcohol production, whether beer, spirits, or fuel. According to what I've read, "with solubles" simply means the resulting by-product was not fully dried before packaging.)

But that's just me, not saying don't try it. According to studies I've read (including distillers dried grains) different species can handle varying amounts of various terrestrial plant products in their feed, with carnivorous fish often among the less tolerant of a number of these products (in terms of the percentages they can handle).
 
sure, I certainly can't see a retail store promoting a food they don't carry : P

Sincebeen - you mentioned soaking raw food in vitamins. How are you doing this exactly? I've been feeding my CA's a LOT of fresh shrimp and Mysis, I'm trying to break them of it but some are stubborn to move to pellets. I worry that the raw-only fish aren't getting the vitamins they need.

I use Vita Chem. A 4OZ bottle goes a long way. It has most of the vitamins (and more) as the pellets discussed here. The deficiency with vitamin treated meat is the lack of veggie.

I'm using it now to presoak dried blood worm treats because my GTs and JDs are still young. When I had RBP, I would slice up whatever white fish was on sale, and then slice up a trimmed grass fed beef heart. After a mixing in the vitamin, I would individually wrap portions using saran wrap and freeze. Once my current stock gets a little older/bigger I'd like to partially introduce this again. Only this time with some sort of veggie/algae added (like I said, I'm always learning).
 
so what do you feed yours?
LOL... not a good thread for me to get into that here. I've seen too many of these food threads over the years and I'm not keen about getting into arguments when people are so opinionated. But I'll send you something via PM...
 
LOL... not a good thread for me to get into that here. I've seen too many of these food threads over the years and I'm not keen about getting into arguments when people are so opinionated. But I'll send you something via PM...

I'm interested too :)
 
Xtreme is a lower cost knock off of NLS. Not saying that Xtreme is not a decent food, but it ain't NLS.

The owner of Xtreme actually lives just down the road from the owner of New Life. Pablo & Rick have known each other for over 30 years. The difference is one is a follower, and has 15+ yrs of catching up to do. lol


Rapps may find that Xtreme works better for him as he is an importer, and most fish (especialy wild caught) will accept a softer grain/starch laced food much easier over a more dense/hard food such as NLS. So for freshly imported fish (wild caught or not) a food such as NLS that doesn't absorb water as readily as a starch laden food, that is more difficult to chew/swallow, there will be more chewing involved, hence a greater mess.
 
NLS Ingredients:
2 years ago:

Typical Ingredients: Whole Antarctic Krill Meal, Whole Herring Meal, Wheat Flour, Whole Squid Meal, Algae Meal, Soybean Isolate, Beta Carotene, Spirulina, Garlic, Vegetable and Fruit Extract (Spinach, Broccoli, Red Pepper, Zucchini, Tomato, Pea, Red and Green Cabbage, Apple, Apricot, Mango, Kiwi, Papaya, Peach, Pear), Vitamin A Acetate, D-Activated Animal-Sterol (D3), Vitamin B12 Supplement, Thiamine, DL Alphatocophero ( E ), Riboflavin Supplement, Folic Acid, Niacin, Biotin, Calcium Pantothenate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, L-Ascorby-2-Polyphosphate (Stable C), Ethylenediamine dihydroiodide, Cobalt Sulfate, Copper Proteinate, Ferrous Sulfate, Manganese Sulfate, Choline Chloride.
Today:
Typical Ingredients: Whole Antarctic Krill, Whole Herring, Whole Wheat Flour, Algae, Beta Carotene, Spirulina, Garlic, Vegetable and Fruit Extract, Vitamin A Acetate, Vitamin D Supplement, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Vitamin E Supplement, Riboflavin Supplement, Folic Acid, Niacin, Biotin, Calcium Pantothenate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, L-Ascorbyl-2-Polyphosphate (Stable C), Ethylenediamine Dihydroiodide, Cobalt Sulfate, Ferrous Sulfate, Manganese Sulfate, Choline Chloride.

1. Typical<-- The only reason to use that caveat would be an allowance to sometimes use less/none of any ingredient. 2. Krill and Herring no longer described as &#8220;meal&#8221;<-- the only reason to change that would be an allowance to use wet weight = less meat. 3. Wheat flour as the 3[SUP]rd[/SUP] ingredient raises a flag. 4. Stable C<--- do they really have to do that? 5. What happened to the Copper Proteinate?

Xtreme:

Krill Meal, Shrimp Meal, Fish Meal, Herring Meal, Squid Meal Green Peas, Rice Meal, Wheat Flour, Distillers Dried Grains with Soluables, Brewers Dried Yeast, Spirulina blue-green algae, Paprika, Limestone, Xanthophyll, Fish Oil, Lecithin, Salt, Vitamin A Acetate, Vitamin D3 Supplement, di-Alph Tocopheryl Acetate(Vitamin E Supplement), Vitamin B12 Supplement, Riboflavin, Niacin, Caldium Pantothenate, Menadione Sodium Bisulfite Complex(source of Vitamin K activity), Folic Acid, Thiamine Mononitrate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Biotin, Manganese Proteinate, Zinc Proteinate, Copper Proteinate, Calcium Iodate, Iron Proteinate, Cobalt Proteinate, Calcium Carbonate, Sodium Selenite, L-Ascorbyl-2-Polyphosphate(source of Vitamin C), Canthaxanthin, Astaxanthin, Beta Carotene

(1. Limestone? 2. Brewers Yeast? 3. PAPRIKA<----Really!?!?)

Omega One:

Whole Salmon, Halibut, Whole Shrimp, Wheat Flour, Wheat Gluten, Fresh Kelp, Krill, Lecithin, Astaxanthin, Zeaxanthin, L-Ascorbyl-2-Phosphate (Source of Vitamin C), Natural and Artificial Colors, Vitamin A Acetate, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Vitamin E Supplement, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Riboflavin, Niacin, Pantothenic Acid, Choline Chloride, Folic Acid, Biotin, Inositol, Tocopherol (Preservative), Ethoxyquin (Preservative).

1. Ethoxyquin<-- didn't notice this before, not cool and definitely a deal breaker. 2. Wheat Flour AND Wheat Gluten as the 3[SUP]rd[/SUP] and 4[SUP]th[/SUP] ingredient raises a flag.


The bottom line is that NONE of these "so-called" quality foods are enormously different from each other, from an ingredients perspective. In fact the recipe can change at any time and we wont know it unless were paying attention. Xtreme is the only one who &#8220;claims&#8221; to be hormone free. I&#8217;m not so naive to believe pet food manufacturers&#8217; claims; as RD laid out before, Omega One is partially full of it too, but what do we have other than the labels and these forums? The use of wheat flour as a main ingredient is enough to turn me away from making any of these products a long term staple.
 
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