What is the consensus with Southern Delight Fish food?

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Are you kidding? Sponge filters? I don't know any people with large operations that don't run at least some sponges.

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That was a joke and yes I run 8 tanks on sponges myself. lol but they would not cut it for my displays which need to be totally silent. Filtration has advanced quite a bit over the years....

Just trying to keep the thread light. Most food threads get very intense around here.




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I agree John, it's always good to trial new products that are worthy of trialling. IMO this simply isn't one of those products. IMO SD doesn't come close in quality or overall value to NLS, or Omega, or Northfin, or Xtreme, or .....

What are the ingredients that make you say that? Still learning here and I appreciate the insight.


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What are the ingredients that make you say that? Still learning here and I appreciate the insight.


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Less or no "filler" ingredients; i.e., soybeans and corn/starch. and no use of feathers when there are much better ingredients to be used.
Also, NLS uses garlic as there natural anti-parasitic which we know works. Instead of wondering if the probiotics in these pellets really work or even if they are stable.
Just stick with has been working health and color enhancing wise in a natural sense IMO


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Less or no "filler" ingredients; i.e., soybeans and corn/starch. and no use of feathers when there are much better ingredients to be used.
Also, NLS uses garlic as there natural anti-parasitic which we know works. Instead of wondering if the probiotics in these pellets really work or even if they are stable.
Just stick with has been working health and color enhancing wise in a natural sense IMO


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It's more than just that. The main ingredients in s.d are lower quality as well. R.D touched on that a little in the other thread linked at the beginning.


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Less or no "filler" ingredients; i.e., soybeans and corn/starch. and no use of feathers when there are much better ingredients to be used.
Also, NLS uses garlic as there natural anti-parasitic which we know works. Instead of wondering if the probiotics in these pellets really work or even if they are stable.
Just stick with has been working health and color enhancing wise in a natural sense IMO

Point taken but feather meal has been removed much like NLS did in removing soybean recently.

Correct me if I'm wrong but NLS had soy in it up until last year? Thought I remember that from one of these threads.

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That was a joke and yes I run 8 tanks on sponges myself. lol but they would not cut it for my displays which need to be totally silent. Filtration has advanced quite a bit over the years....

Just trying to keep the thread light. Most food threads get very intense around here.




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Lol..... I am surprised there isn't some stabbins in the food threads. Intense is an understatement!

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I linked this thread to Facebook where Team ASS "Aquatic Support Systems" would be sure to see it giving them the chance to chime in. With no avail, it was referred to as another food war protest which they didn't want to partake in the "drama" lol I only asked for supportive information from them explaining the food.. All I got was a bunch of self defunding responses and comments about how Mfk sux and is dying forum that's gonna be replaced by hydra.. So needless to say, my efforts to get solid feedback from them failed.





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I say if you want to try it, try it. We live in a free market system and competition is what stimulates advances in all markets. If it’s good it will make if not it will not. Price, quality and effective marketing go a long way. I don’t find this debate much different then the dog food debate. I feed my dogs either Purina One or Iams lamb & rice formula. Plenty of people swear by Blue and other top end brands. When I was a kid the dog got table scraps or Kenl-ration in a can made with horse meat. Since as long as I can remember, dogs live an average of 15 years. I don’t think feeding Blue $$$ is going to get me 30 years. Years ago we had a shepherd mix named Duke that lived 19 years, my father fed that dog everything and anything. While I’m not saying we shouldn’t strive for a healthy diet, we should. I’m just saying may be we read more into some of the hype than is necessary. You can’t believe everything you read. Try things for yourself and make your own decision based on your results. Without trial and error we stagnate. GL.
 
John, NLS contained soybean isolate, which is worlds apart in quality, and cost, compared to the terrestrial based grains used in SD. Soy isolate is very high in protein (80+%) wihch means a much smaller inclusion rate could be used, and unlike most terrestrial based grains soy isolate contains no anti-nutritional matter. That's why it costs so much $$$$, and why you seldom see a fish food manufacturer using it in their food, and instead, using soybean meal, or whole soybeans, such as in SD. Pablo dropped isolate from NLS a couple of years ago after he began making his own foods on site at his own facility. To replace it he bumped up the herring & krill inclusion rates - which while costing more $$$, became doable once he removed the middle man (the feed mill) from the equation. SD can't do things like that because they are paying Zeigler for being their purchasing agent, and to make their food.


Again, I'm not arguing the fact that one can grow out a fish in a reasonable manner on any tropical fish food. Even the lowest quality crap based mostly on fiber will get the job done in a pinch. As an example, check out this pond set up, John. You'll appreciate this as I see that you just recently got into these fish.

http://madagascares.com/Ebooks/FishFarmUpdateJuly2013.pdf

For those that aren't familar with this species, these are Paratilapia pollini "Andapa", raised by the locals for food, and for introducing back into the local waters as most fish in this area are endangered, some even now extinct in the wild. The adult fish in that pic is approx 9", and their diet in that pond is 80% rice hulls, and 20% dried shrimp. Rice hulls have the nutritional equivalent of straw. 2-3% crude protein, .5% crude fat, 40% crude fiber, 30% carbohydrates, 15+% ash - you get the picture. They might as well been feeding these fish dried rabbit turds, yet they still grew and are in relatively good health. Perhaps they gleaned some nutrients from the pond via insects, larvae, etc, but the bulk of their diet was from the rice mash mix.


And while SD may have now removed feathers from their food, how does one trust a vendor who was just days ago defending the quality of those feathers? I'm quite certain that the fish farmers in Madagascar know, and would admit, that they are feeding low quality feed as they barely have enough food to feed themselves most days, but what's the excuse from the folks at SD?
 
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