Whats the ULTIMATE freshwater monster.
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Also for honorable mentions, Hoplias aimara and Salminus franciscanus deserve a shoutout.
By whatever criteria you can successfully argue that the species you've nominated is superior. I've been working off of the assumption that the ultimate freshwater monster is the fish that would emerge as the apex predator in a hypothetical one world river. This seems to have become the de facto criteria by which others were arguing as well.
Are ATF pretty much dependent on somewhat fresh flowing oxygenated water? I mean, I've seen electric eels live in mud puddles and obviously snakeheads can do ok in a variety of conditions.
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In the lower Okavango, vittatus often live in some relatively stagnant, still sections of standing water. When the other four species aren't in their favored habitat of crashing whitewater, they're generally in the open water over the deepest parts of wide open stretches of water.
They prefer the highly oxygenated water but can tolerate anoxic water fairly well. Obviously not nearly as well as a lungfish or an electric eel or other things of that nature, but they're definitely not dependent on their preferred conditions.
I wonder what would electric eel do if senses threat before actual attack.. I think no fish can survive the shock if its released before bite..GATF maybe have teeth but are in no use if its fried before bite.. Or maybe just shock it so eel can escape..
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I dont think ability to survive droughts should make it more ultimate, wow this thread has gone off the deep end a little since i last saw.
Lets face it, nothing beats a full grown GATF one on one. I would be very surprised if it only took one zap from electric eel to kill it. And if you have ever watched an electric eel feed they kind of need to concentrate, its not like a oh your coming at me fast as a bullet im gonna zap you even though your broadsiding me thing. They need time to do that, hence why its not built to a streamlined shape like ATF.
An aimara would be a close second for sure, even my ery ery is one mean SOB. BUT the biggest difference between aimara/snakehead and ATF, is that the wolf and snake both would be hunting items that they can generally fit in their mouth, or they think they may be able to. Now ive seen my ery tear a feeder in 2 but ATF does it with the efficiency of a shark. The others need a firm hold, and to rip and shake their heads to get chunks out. In the way that ATF feed, i dont think many fish could hold up for long. They would take a vicious chunk out of nowhere, wait for the prey to weaken, come in and finish it off. End of story
Sturgeon, Bull sharks dont count Pole! Stop trying to argue for them! Lol they dont live in FW for life so therefore have no place here. And theres no reason to keep characins off the list.
IMO this is how it should go
1st GATF
2nd Aimara and generally other large Hoplias
3rd Goonch or Sareng. Those fish deserve a place, for sure. Since most cats have indeterminate growth, theoretically a goonch could get very, very large. And the teeth on both are intense.
Lets face it, nothing beats a full grown GATF one on one. I would be very surprised if it only took one zap from electric eel to kill it. And if you have ever watched an electric eel feed they kind of need to concentrate, its not like a oh your coming at me fast as a bullet im gonna zap you even though your broadsiding me thing. They need time to do that, hence why its not built to a streamlined shape like ATF.
An aimara would be a close second for sure, even my ery ery is one mean SOB. BUT the biggest difference between aimara/snakehead and ATF, is that the wolf and snake both would be hunting items that they can generally fit in their mouth, or they think they may be able to. Now ive seen my ery tear a feeder in 2 but ATF does it with the efficiency of a shark. The others need a firm hold, and to rip and shake their heads to get chunks out. In the way that ATF feed, i dont think many fish could hold up for long. They would take a vicious chunk out of nowhere, wait for the prey to weaken, come in and finish it off. End of story
Sturgeon, Bull sharks dont count Pole! Stop trying to argue for them! Lol they dont live in FW for life so therefore have no place here. And theres no reason to keep characins off the list.
IMO this is how it should go
1st GATF
2nd Aimara and generally other large Hoplias
3rd Goonch or Sareng. Those fish deserve a place, for sure. Since most cats have indeterminate growth, theoretically a goonch could get very, very large. And the teeth on both are intense.
no we have already established GAFT as the winner, now we are taking tigerfish off the list to see who would be second
Would be more interesting if it was "ultimate freshwater AQUARIUM monster". Obviously a full grown GATF is one hell of a fish, but the fact is in the aquarium they grow rather slowly, are prone to smashing into the glass, and rarely (ever?) reach their full potential. Something like a dovii on the other hand grows like a weed, doesn't tolerate other fish in anything other than massive tanks, huge personality/attitude with a set of teeth to match.
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