white bass

[sbuse]

Lol, hehehe sorry I have to laugh man....please dont take it personnally, I get my information from Page and Burrs Peterson guide to Freshwater fishes which states that "Carp can result in decreased populations in freshwater fishes", in the wikipedia article on Carp which states they do eat eggs, on a article by Pflieger a fish biologist who wrote the book on Missouries Fishes, and a acquaintance Scott who is a fishery biologist who told me at one time that as Bass attack one carp near its nest other carp will often swoop in and eat the eggs. Most "studies" done have shown that carp (even grass carp) will eat insect larvae, eggs and about anything else they can find on the bottom of the lake or river. Here in Missouri they compete for food with a number of native minnows, madtoms, sculpins and suckers which many of them are endangered or less detrimental to the ecology of the area than carp (many carp can eat more than there bodies weight in one day)......so sorry if your a Carp lover , but there is a reason we dont have limits on Carp in Mo. and Im helping the native wildlife and fish by both feeding them Carp and by removing the living river mowers from our waterways. But dont worry Im not just against carp I would do the same thing to Snakeheads, Cichlids (even though Ive owned them), Asian Swamp eels and Gobies in my area...."exotics are for tanks, not our streams and lakes!". P.S. you can quote me on that last sentence......Im sort of proud of it!

this doesn't disprove what i said...they don't JUST EAT EGGS that is what i said...this only backs what i said...there is no limit on them here and i shoot them with my bow, so you can hardly call me a carp lover...i kill just about every carp i get, but i use it for one thing or another...there is this law (atleast in my state though i think it is in every state in one form or another) called "want and waste" it is illeagal to willfully waste any fish...it is also illeagal to leave any fish including rough fish on the banks of lakes and streams or in any woods around...as then it becomes dumping if you bring them somewere and that is a min of a $500 fine...i am not ofended, but you discreadit yourself by quoting wikipedia, just so you know for future refurance...as for your last line, if you are that proud of it you can quote it, cause you should be spitting that line to the european immigrants that brought them over and not to me as i have killed and used more carp then most people have seen...

also if you want me to i can find this law in your states regulations and show you it like have have with other regulations before...so in the end i will be the one laughing as you pay your fines and lose you license over carp and i can still be shooting them and not paying for fish food or any fines...

 

[warmouth]

this doesn't disprove what i said...they don't JUST EAT EGGS that is what i said...this only backs what i said...there is no limit on them here and i shoot them with my bow, so you can hardly call me a carp lover...i kill just about every carp i get, but i use it for one thing or another...there is this law (atleast in my state though i think it is in every state in one form or another) called "want and waste" it is illeagal to willfully waste any fish...it is also illeagal to leave any fish including rough fish on the banks of lakes and streams or in any woods around...as then it becomes dumping if you bring them somewere and that is a min of a $500 fine...i am not ofended, but you discreadit yourself by quoting wikipedia, just so you know for future refurance...as for your last line, if you are that proud of it you can quote it, cause you should be spitting that line to the european immigrants that brought them over and not to me as i have killed and used more carp then most people have seen...

also if you want me to i can find this law in your states regulations and show you it like have have with other regulations before...so in the end i will be the one laughing as you pay your fines and lose you license over carp and i can still be shooting them and not paying for fish food or any fines...

Scott you bring a smile to my face, have you ever heard the 3-11 song "misdirected hostility" (it might have been before your time). Lets clear a few things up, I never said that "THEY JUST EAT EGGS" never have....never will, but all the research Ive read says they can and do eat alot of fisheggs more than catfish or other native fish do. Please man Im begging you show me those regs on what I can and cant do with Carp or any exotic fish in our waterways in the state of Missouri (this is the Show Me state ,and they are listed as exotic) Ive checked my fishing guidebook and dont see anything. 1st of all I dont "dump" fish on the banks .....I go about 2 acres into a conservation area and place them where there are coon tracks so they are eaten ( you can only find bones ) by raccoons and other wildlife ......so its not like Im littering; what state are you in that you would lose your fishing liscense over killing Carp, not that I dont believe you .....theyre are a lot stupid laws (which I as a law abiding citizen definately follow to the letter) but dont agree with. "I get my information from Page and Burrs Peterson guide to Freshwater fishes which states that "Carp can result in decreased populations in freshwater fishes", in the wikipedia article on Carp which states they do eat eggs, on a article by Pflieger a fish biologist who wrote the book on Missouries Fishes, and a acquaintance Scott who is a fishery biologist who told me at one time that as Bass attack one carp near its nest other carp will often swoop in and eat the eggs." I can get many other references (as can yourself if you decide to do the research), Im sorry you feel Ive discredited myself and that you would laugh if I lost my fishing license (youll learn later Karmas a -----) like I said I hope you dont take it personally.... but even if you do I will still continue to try and rid our water of Carp, so its all good man and have a nice day!

 

[sbuse]

i take nothing personal, i will post the law in my state and look for it for your state...i talk to the dnr alot as the officers see me all the time, in fact we are on a first name basis and they don't even ask me for my license...the reason i would laugh at you losing your license is cause you have been informed about "want and waste"...the dumping law doesn't state that is is ok if it is bio-degradable, just that anything that you or i place someware that it didn't come from is dumping...i to agree that there are way to many stupid laws in this country, but they are there...now we both know and accept the fact that they eat eggs and not only eggs...i geuss i hear that way to much around here by people that say that they only eat eggs i missinturprited your egg eatting post...we are really going back and forth about the dumping of the fish in the woods...they may get eattin so i agree that i would "justify" the taking them to there, but it would still be illeagal in my state and i will look into your state for your benifit...all i am doing is tring to save you the trouble that has be discribed to me by several dnr officers as illeagal...

 

[sbuse]

this is from the fishing regulations for my state

• Any fish that is caught and will not be utilized must be immediately
returned alive back into the water. A person cannot wantonly waste
a fish that is caught by leaving it or any usable portion on the ice,
thrown up on the bank, or intentionally killing it and returning it back​

into the water unless authorized.


it is a law and if you violate it there is another law that says you can lose you license i will post it aswell, since you are in the show me state...

License Revocation​

Fishing privileges may be revoked for one year for two or more convictions
of fishing violations in three years. Violations of fishing laws in other states
may affect your ability to fish in Minnesota.​

Under the gross over-limits penalty provisions, privileges can be revoked for​

three or five years, depending on the number of fish involved in the violation.

 

[sbuse]

http://mdc4.mdc.mo.gov/Documents/2115.pdf

this is a link to the Missouri fishing regulations...it wont let me cut and paste...go to page 6...on page 6 you will see a paragraph were it says you can't use explossives ect. at the end of that paragraph is says it is illeagal to abandon any eddible part of a fish...you dumping the whole fish falls into this law as a direct violation of it...

there for it is illeagal in your state aswell to feed the racoons with your carp...

 

[fisher12889]

Lol, hehehe sorry I have to laugh man....please dont take it personnally, I get my information from Page and Burrs Peterson guide to Freshwater fishes which states that "Carp can result in decreased populations in freshwater fishes", in the wikipedia article on Carp which states they do eat eggs, on a article by Pflieger a fish biologist who wrote the book on Missouries Fishes, and a acquaintance Scott who is a fishery biologist who told me at one time that as Bass attack one carp near its nest other carp will often swoop in and eat the eggs. Most "studies" done have shown that carp (even grass carp) will eat insect larvae, eggs and about anything else they can find on the bottom of the lake or river. Here in Missouri they compete for food with a number of native minnows, madtoms, sculpins and suckers which many of them are endangered or less detrimental to the ecology of the area than carp (many carp can eat more than there bodies weight in one day)......so sorry if your a Carp lover , but there is a reason we dont have limits on Carp in Mo. and Im helping the native wildlife and fish by both feeding them Carp and by removing the living river mowers from our waterways. But dont worry Im not just against carp I would do the same thing to Snakeheads, Cichlids (even though Ive owned them), Asian Swamp eels and Gobies in my area...."exotics are for tanks, not our streams and lakes!". P.S. you can quote me on that last sentence......Im sort of proud of it!

You don't think the other species of fish in the river compete with the native fish? Carp aren't the only species that will eat other fishes eggs. I've personally seen bluegill exhibit similar behavior to what you describe carp doing.

There are plenty of "exotics" that people would never think of as bad. Brown trout for instance, are from Germany. Rainbows are introduced almost everywhere. Any fish added to an existing body of water will compete with the existing occupant, regardless of whether it is a "trash" fish or respected game fish.

 

[sbuse]

You don't think the other species of fish in the river compete with the native fish? Carp aren't the only species that will eat other fishes eggs. I've personally seen bluegill exhibit similar behavior to what you describe carp doing.

There are plenty of "exotics" that people would never think of as bad. Brown trout for instance, are from Germany. Rainbows are introduced almost everywhere. Any fish added to an existing body of water will compete with the existing occupant, regardless of whether it is a "trash" fish or respected game fish.

thats what i was tring to get at, but i geuss i didn't word it right or something...

 

[warmouth]

Wow Scott thanks for checking, most people would be too lazy to even look. I am sorry though in the fact tha I do believe that Page 6 in the handbook is refering to the banks and waters of Missouries lakes,rivers and streams I believe it says that it is illegal to abandon any edible part or parts of a fish onto the banks or into the waters of our state. I was putting the Carp several acres into a Mo conservation area , clearly not in violation of our state laws. "There are plenty of "exotics" that people would never think of as bad. Brown trout for instance, are from Germany." I do think they are bad.....Brown Trout are voracious eaters of Sculpins, Madtoms and Darters, in the Missouri Ozarks there are many Darters and some Sculpins that are endemic only to this area ,our local Bass are not very specialized eaters (they eat everything equally) and do no undue pressure on our natives (some of which are endangered) unlike Brown Trout who favor the slower Sculpins and Darters. Here in the US we have a great and vast plethora of native species of fish....we dont need introduced exotics who in many areas threaten the natural balance of our ecosystems. I like exotics ......in fish tanks or theyre native waters. A big Carp can eat more eggs than several Bluegill (and muscle his way into spawning areas a bluegill cant), and theyre rutting destroys plant life that many native invertabrates and fish need to survive. Please do not worry I will check with the Mo Dnr today (I also talk with them quite frequently) and will see if feeding the raccoons is considered "dumping" if it is I will simply put them into plastic trash bags which I will put in the trash cans to help create more waste at our local landfill and contribute nothing to the preservation of nature (which I believe should be a punishable crime....not the feeding of native wildlife with fish that displace natives). Thanks Joe.

 

[sbuse]

that is the problem with those dumb laws like that is they aren't exactly direct on eveything...they leave them open to inturpritation...as it is written if you had a a-hole officer they could fine you for it as the law doesn't say the abandonment is ok if it is not on the bank...it just state the abandonment ingeneral...most people are to lazy to do that, but i am a man of my word and if i say i will do something i do it...the exact qoute is

"it also is illegal to attempt to take fish by hand, with or without a hook and to intentionally leave or abandon any commonly edible protion of any fish."

what you are doing is exploiting the gray area though they could make a case if they wanted to the law is to open to be a solid case, though it is there...i exploit the gray areas in my state aswell thats how i know the laws so well...i asked some of the oficers that i know about some of the gray areas and all they did was look at me and say "for the record"... "i wouldn't push it"..."off the record"... "how it is written we couldn't hold anything on you for it"... you could argue the fact that carp isn't commonly eatten and that would be your gray area... there case would be that you are intentionally abandoning an edible portion of a fish...the "commonly" is your gray area...

 

[Bridger]

I don 't think that a single Missouri conservation agent would ticket you even for bludgeoning an exotic carp and tossing it back in the water or on the bank. They are a prolific and damaging species that can hopefully someday be totally removed from our waters (though I doubt that's possible). That being said, if I caught one I'd eat it for sure. I just hope we don't ever have to deal with those damned snakeheads even though they are apparently pretty good eating as well.