Just a little note...since I have access to certain aro farms here I have raised the issue about breeding silvers. Most are reluctant to breed them since compared to breeding asian aros, the returns on silvers are very small comparitively so it's not something they either intend to do (farm breed silvers) or it's only on a very small scale.
Wild caught silvers are no slouches
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rumblesushi;494486; said:That's interesting. I certainly trust Oddballer's expertise so he may well be right.
If what he says is true there must be somewhat of a misunderstanding, and that is farm-raised = farm bred. For example the aros I've enquired about in England were allegedly captive bred in Asia. Maybe captive bred is really farm raised to a more sellable size, with a lower shipping mortality rate.
But then again, last year my girlfriend bought a 2.5 inch aro that was from a farm. Highly unlikely they'd grow it from say 1.5 inches to 2.5 and then sell it
And also, think about the amount of Asian aros that are farm bred. Is it any harder to breed silvers? Even your aro managed to lay eggs Del. So it's just as believable that they really are farm-bred, not just farm raised.
here an interesting peice of info from oddballer i got today
armac;494691; said:Neal I hate to disagree with you but I feel that most arros are farm raised as well. The taking of all those babies from wild stock seems a lttle far fetched
what you feel is not fact
if you are so convinced that most of the countrys silvers are captive born then give me a list of these so called breeders
if they are producing enough numbers to make them 15-30 bucks a pop there should be thousands of mass breeding facilities to list.
its doesnt fit
the care and money to maintain such facitities would make prices sky rocket and make silvers as pricey as blacks. getting my aro to lay eggs is one thing, getting them to pair and go though courtship is a whole different ball game
like my good friend DW has said
DavidW said:
Del - put it this way - after I sold my jardini my girlfriend and I wanted to buy a silver, and although unsubstantiated I thought possibly bad genes in breeding were the cause of dropeye, and it was genetic in farmed silvers. So for that reason alone I wanted a wild one. With a jardini I didn't care as drop-eye is not an issue.
I asked one of the major wholesalers in the UK if the silvers he imported were wild/farm bred and he said farm bred. I asked probably the best stocked fish store in the UK, who import their own stuff, don't go through wholesalers, and they said their silvers are farm bred, not imported directly from the wild.
So then thinking oh well, if they get their silvers from farms, most of them must be, I bought a baby silver from a local chain fish store. I asked them to find out from the wholesaler where it was from, and a couple of days later they told me it was captive bred.
That's 3/3 that said captive bred - why would they lie? Unless of course England gets captive specimens, and America gets all the wild caught silvers.
I asked one of the major wholesalers in the UK if the silvers he imported were wild/farm bred and he said farm bred. I asked probably the best stocked fish store in the UK, who import their own stuff, don't go through wholesalers, and they said their silvers are farm bred, not imported directly from the wild.
So then thinking oh well, if they get their silvers from farms, most of them must be, I bought a baby silver from a local chain fish store. I asked them to find out from the wholesaler where it was from, and a couple of days later they told me it was captive bred.
That's 3/3 that said captive bred - why would they lie? Unless of course England gets captive specimens, and America gets all the wild caught silvers.
DeLgAdO;494953; said:
You are saying I am not able to FEEL differently than you Del, pretty ugly attitude for someone who thinks they should be a mod.
You just keep doing your Wikipedia look-ups for information, this board should be about experience, not regurgitation of web search information. I appreciate Neal's (Peacock) opinion 100 times more than your Del.
BTW Del if you notice the first part of my post I addressed Neal, not you. So I was not looking for your input, but thanks...............I think
armac;495259; said:You are saying I am not able to FEEL differently than you Del, pretty ugly attitude for someone who thinks they should be a mod.
You just keep doing your Wikipedia look-ups for information, this board should be about experience, not regurgitation of web search information. I appreciate Neal's (Peacock) opinion 100 times more than your Del.
BTW Del if you notice the first part of my post I addressed Neal, not you. So I was not looking for your input, but thanks...............I think
that how you learn, you look it up, read it over and over.
in time, soon you will.
rumblesushi;494701; said:What proof and evidence do you have that all silvers are wild caught?It goes both ways. Without evidence it's all hearsay and speculation, not "stipulation" as you suggested. A stipulation is a condition, come on Neil, surely you know that
What proof? The simple fact they LIVE in the wild and breed there.. Also, for the past 40 years silvers have been bought into the hobby via collecting in SA.. Now, UNless you have real evidence that this collecting method no longer exists and arowana are all farm raised. Please, show us.. But dont give me that "Oh, well I think" crap. Because that is subjective opinion and we dont want it.
Also- I was discussing some DROA stuff with my GF at the time I was writing my last post. THat is where the "stipulation" problem came in, hehe.
No I have no certificate, because my fish is not farm raised, it was imported from South America to Spain. The cobra snakehead I have was imported from a farm in Asia, it's captive bred.
How do you know this? what is your proof? How do you know your fish was from SA? or Asia? Because the idiot on the phone who sold it to you, told you this?
When did I mention barca? What on earth are you on about? Barca have NEVER been bred - do you even know what a channa barca is? There are somewhere around 10 in captivity and ashdavid has 3 of them. 2 of them were imported to the UK by Tom Halvorsen, before being sold to ashdavid.
Tell me - given the mass breeding of Asian aros in Asia, why is it so hard to fathom that silver aros are also mass bred? And acestros and hydrolycus are not what I would consider common, at least not in England. Like I said, they both had to be ordered. The only place I've visited in the UK that stock them both routinely is Wildwoods, one of the best fish places in England.
It doesnt matter if asian arowana are being bred by the millions. Because those are a DIFFERENT fish. It is stupid to think- "well asian aros are being bred! So that must mean silvers and blacks are too!!! Because those asians love to breed everything!!"
The simple fact is, you have no proof, and untill you do. You shouldnt post.
In the average LFS in the US are you more likely to see a silver aro or a cuda or vamp tetra?
Freshwater cudas are more common then silvers, So are Vamp tettras.
above in bold.
Chaos32;494788; said:
Bingo.
The point is, Sushi thinks that because they are producing Asian Arowana by the truckloads, they produce silver too..
well, Asian arowana have a MUCH larger and much DIFFERENT market.
armac;494691; said:Neal I hate to disagree with you but I feel that most arros are farm raised as well. The taking of all those babies from wild stock seems a lttle far fetched
Why far fetched?
How do you think we got silvers 20 years ago?
