I agree with you, the guy in the first vid has very sick and injured fish with a mix that is going to perpetuate illness and njury and death. The guy in the second vid has a tank that is too small, but the fish are healthy. .On one hand people talk about animal abuse, then talk about culling fish that don’t meet the standards of that particular fish.
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Totally agree. No comparison between what the person in the vid was doing, and a tank that is too small, or improper water changes are taking place.
Unfortunately, in this hobby millions of fish die every year, many long before they ever reach the end consumers tank.
As far as withholding food from a fish, while training, in the wild most fish live their natural life cycling between feast & famine, so "starving" a fish for a week or two has no comparison to withholding food from a child. Not even remotely close.
Yes, except culling fish in a humane manner is a far cry from what the person in the vid was doing, which I think by most definitions, was in fact cruel.
A false equivalency from my view. Fish in nature arent eating pellets either.
That’s true, the bad part that kinda p***** me off was the commentary in the first vid. He thinks that is normal
Fish in nature consume the exact same amino acids, fatty acids, and vitamins/minerals etc, as they do in a quality pellet.
Agreed, the commentary clearly painted a clear picture of this persons mind set.
You miss my point. Starvation in fish out in the wild is imposed by natural processes: hormones, seasonal changes, interspecific competition among other things.
The pellet training method involves the keeper arbitrarily cutting off the food supply in a closed ecosystem.
As i said, false equivalence. Or to use your verbage for effect: not even remotely close.
Not jumping on you but sorry you'll get no cooperation from me in regard to not calling this animal abuse or cruelty, which in this case I personally view as being much more than a "little irresponsible" or just a bit of cichlid domination stuff -- one of those fish is going to die if not removed, and I can guess which one. Putting another cichlid (esp. 1 that is already injured) in a tank with a Flowerhorn, which are known to be super territorial and aggressive, and then letting them keep at it until is 'settled' is just screwed up regardless of rhetoric or semantics. Flowerhorns don't seek domination, they seek annihilation.
And the guy is clearly entertained by the whole thing -- hence his using "Lol" in the title. What a great message to send to aspiring young fish keepers...
Btw, comparing pellet training (in order to provide a fish with a more well-rounded diet) to starving children is in itself a false equivalence (or logical fallacy). Most fish can easily go a week or two or more without food, children/human beings, not so. Whether the withholding of food to a fish is arbitrary or natural it doesn't make your initial comparison any more logical.
Im not vouching for the guy. I just wouldnt go so far as to call it abuse.
See my other responses to the whole pellet training thing. You say the comparison of starving a fish or a child is inaccurate when youre the sole provider of food to them both. While i say comparing natural instances of starvation in wild populations of animals to those in closed systems like home aquariums is completely inaccurate. You can spin it any way you want it really.
To be clear, i have utilized the starvation method many times to get my fish to do what i wanted them to do. Stalin used the same method on his people in the 20s, and the nazis followed suit during the holocaust. I can blow it up as far as i like. Im not saying anyone is wrong or right, but merely that to some people, it may be YOU thats doing the abuse.
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