Actually some populations of orcas do not migrating. In fact there are more than 40 cultures of orcas in the world, some of them were migratory while others rarely leave their home area.
PETA sue Seaworld for enslave the whales...
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Alive is alive despite the amount of measurable intelligence, and suffering is suffering.
i think there was a lot of info that wasn't clear. if they were eaten, yes i'd be ok with it. but since they werent' eaten, me and jose was arguing that it's no worse than sportfishing.
It's no different from keep a house cat in the house for whole life, being overweight due to the lack of exercises. Same with few dogs. Even we kept rodents in 10gal tanks or birds in cages that don't offer much space for fly around.
No way. You cannot tell me an oscar is the same as an orca. That's like comparing the mental capacity of an infant to an adult.
I don't think that the lawsuit will go anywhere but it will bring attention to the issue. It's interesting to note that the 13th amendment does not mention 'human' enslavement but history gives us the context for which it was written.
I think it's wrong to keep these creatures captive. I would sight the same reasoning that most of the people on this forum think it is wrong to keep huge arowanas or pacu in a small tank.... On top of that, people need to understand that these creatures are not fish. I don't have much faith in the intelligence of our own species. I would be willing to bet that if you quizzed the man on the street, half of them would probably think whales are fish.
Our conciousness, knowledge and compassion are increasing and evolving as a society. We once thought it was OK to keep a single chimpanzee in a jail cell. Now, some of us know that this is wrong and zoos keep them in social groups that mimic a more natural environment. This lawsuit might be taken more seriously some time in the future.
I think it's wrong to keep these creatures captive. I would sight the same reasoning that most of the people on this forum think it is wrong to keep huge arowanas or pacu in a small tank.... On top of that, people need to understand that these creatures are not fish. I don't have much faith in the intelligence of our own species. I would be willing to bet that if you quizzed the man on the street, half of them would probably think whales are fish.
Our conciousness, knowledge and compassion are increasing and evolving as a society. We once thought it was OK to keep a single chimpanzee in a jail cell. Now, some of us know that this is wrong and zoos keep them in social groups that mimic a more natural environment. This lawsuit might be taken more seriously some time in the future.
Then why do captive whales display distinct psychological problems that are not present in wild animals. Ever seen a wild orca with a limp dorsal fin? No, but every captive one has it.
The two aren't even comparable. A wild Oscar in theory has the entire amazon at it's disposal, but in reality stays in the same 100 yard territory it's entire life. Orcas migrate across the globe. A more apt comparison would be keeping something like a Blue Shark, which I would also be against in most instances. But even that does not factor in the intelligence differences between the species. An intelligent animal knows that is captive, a fish doesn't. As long as the fish has room to swim and eat, it is fine. Orcas need way more than that.
Why do you think circus elephants rampage all the time, but circus goats do not? It is the intelligence.
Honestly, yes. Though I wouldn't say 55 is good because it doesn't meet the basic physical requirement the animal needs to even move around.
