Grave News on Lake Erie

[MN_Rebel]

yeah that would be fun but overshot and misses would go flying into the open area of the lake who knows what they'd hit. We just gotta figure out a good way to cook em too, if people start eating em it won't be nearly as bad. there's ways to cook such bony fish.

ah, I should have figured the southern gator gar wouldn't be able to live up here. Is acclimation a possibility? I know people breed peacocks in cold temps to make them resistant, could the same be done overtime to the southern gator gar?

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No even peacock bass are having hard time to survive coldest Florida winters and that was only in extremely southern Florida. There have few times where the cold front killed lot of peacock bass and other non-native tropicals. That's why you don't see southern natives got introduced and become established in colder northern regions.

 

[wednesday13]

How low of a temp can the southern variety live in?

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Good question...florida's been having colder winters past few years. I dont think its a long shot to re-adapt some gators back to a colder climate. I dont run heaters for my gator gar and they get waterchanged with straight cold 40degree water in the winters with no ill effects. Not sure where my 5 originated from but i think its plausible. It could take a long time but def. Worth it in my eyes regardless of the carp.

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[BuffaloPolypteridae]

No even peacock bass are having hard time to survive coldest Florida winters and that was only in extremely southern Florida. There have few times where the cold front killed lot of peacock bass and other non-native tropicals. That's why you don't see southern natives got introduced and become established in colder northern regions.

I'm sorry I should have clarified, I meant literal peacocks like the tropical bird haha. Hunter Thompson bred them in the rocky mountains and sold them to golf courses and zoos in alaska maine and canada

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[MN_Rebel]

How low of a temp can the southern variety live in?

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The main concern is how long they can tolerate the low temperatures.

 

[lix.ma14]

yeah that would be fun but overshot and misses would go flying into the open area of the lake who knows what they'd hit. We just gotta figure out a good way to cook em too, if people start eating em it won't be nearly as bad. there's ways to cook such bony fish.

ah, I should have figured the southern gator gar wouldn't be able to live up here. Is acclimation a possibility? I know people breed peacocks in cold temps to make them resistant, could the same be done overtime to the southern gator gar?

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peacocks are birds. Gars are fish. Completely different animal so different adaptations. Yes i've heard of peacock farms here in Canada.

 

[MN_Rebel]

I'm sorry I should have clarified, I meant literal peacocks like the tropical bird haha. Hunter Thompson bred them in the rocky mountains and sold them to golf courses and zoos in alaska maine and canada

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Huge difference between a cold-blooded fish and a warm-blooded bird. I raised ostriches for their eggs and meat in Minnesota and they don't have any problems with the winters being colder. But of course I provided them shelters. Each animals (cold or warm blooded) have different adaptions to handle the cold stress for longer/short periods.

 

[Ryan144]

It could take a long time but def. Worth it in my eyes regardless of the carp.

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I completely agree they should have never been removed in the first place

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[BuffaloPolypteridae]

Yes I do know warmblooded birds are different and more adaptable then a cold blooded fish, it would be hard.

But I don't think its an impossibility, it would just take a long time for them to adapt. it would have to be a slight lowering in temp (very slight) over multiple generations. Genetic Engineering is flying in terms of progress lately, that could be another avenue to create a northern gator gar. Cambrian Genomics has managed to 3D print DNA, the whole mammoth (or mastodon don't remember which) breeding project is projected to be done by 2018 I believe.

who knows what fish we will be able to get in the near future w/ all these things being done. that's why we have blood red parrots, GloFish etc. Living proof you can do wonders through such avenues. although I hate animal testing such as that, if its to solve a problem (like the asian carp) then I'm behind it 100%. if its to make a fish pretty, therefore making it easily susceptible to disease and such like glofish varieties then I don't see a point.
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[lix.ma14]

Yes I do know warmblooded birds are different and more adaptable then a cold blooded fish, it would be hard.

But I don't think its an impossibility, it would just take a long time for them to adapt. it would have to be a slight lowering in temp (very slight) over multiple generations. Genetic Engineering is flying in terms of progress lately, that could be another avenue to create a northern gator gar. Cambrian Genomics has managed to 3D print DNA, the whole mammoth (or mastodon don't remember which) breeding project is projected to be done by 2018 I believe.

who knows what fish we will be able to get in the near future w/ all these things being done. that's why we have blood red parrots, GloFish etc. Living proof you can do wonders through such avenues. although I hate animal testing such as that, if its to solve a problem (like the asian carp) then I'm behind it 100%. if its to make a fish pretty, therefore making it easily susceptible to disease and such like glofish varieties then I don't see a point.
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Asain carp would have taken over the world before you find an adaptation of a gator gar. I wonder what the Canadian government would think for funding a project like this. We might as well bomb them with our f18 super hornets.

 

[BuffaloPolypteridae]

Asain carp would have taken over the world before you find an adaptation of a gator gar. I wonder what the Canadian government would think for funding a project like this. We might as well bomb them with our f18 super hornets.

eh, I think the canadians would rather have harmless giants lurking about then 20 lbs of fish smacking em in the head when they try to go over 5 mph on their boats. I don't think, if truly informed, anyone could be against such a project. I'm not planning on pursuing this, just brought it up because it was brought up in the initial conversation I had about the carp. Hell, even a stocking program for musky and other native preds to eat the hell out of the younger ones. The pike and musky numbers in erie have been dropping as of late, just from my own fishing experience

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