This 55 gallon tank with eight fish was already an out grew tank when my husband picked it up at a yard sale.
What is a growout tank?
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That's one of the ultimate outgrows! I remember that one. 55 gal of tank with 30 gal of water and 20 gal of living, breathing (barely) flesh.
Okey-dockey then
IMHO, the scenario Cu describes is the common one, the convention. That is what is called a rule by definition = the majority of occurrences.
IMHO, the scenarios you have alluded to are rare, unconventional. This is what's called an exception by definition.
When the exceptions are being called into attention to show that the phenomenon does not occur in 100% of cases but rather in 99%, 90%, 75%, or 51% of cases, this in the essence does not refute the rule but says the rule is only say 90% prevalent. Hence, in turn, the very existence of the rule is brought into light.
Of course, all this logic hinges on my opinion that your alternative scenarios represent a small-to-insignificant % of the people calling their tanks a growout.
This is the weak point because it is a supposition and I've not statistics. And herein lies your chance to refute my logic.
Okey-dockey then
IMHO, the scenario Cu describes is the common one, the convention. That is what is called a rule by definition = the majority of occurrences.
IMHO, the scenarios you have alluded to are rare, unconventional. This is what's called an exception by definition.
When the exceptions are being called into attention to show that the phenomenon does not occur in 100% of cases but rather in 99%, 90%, 75%, or 51% of cases, this in the essence does not refute the rule but says the rule is only say 90% prevalent. Hence, in turn, the very existence of the rule is brought into light.
Of course, all this logic hinges on my opinion that your alternative scenarios represent a small-to-insignificant % of the people calling their tanks a growout.
This is the weak point because it is a supposition and I've not statistics. And herein lies your chance to refute my logic.
I agree and get your point but a fish is a living breathing animal. A car is well a car. The older I get the more guilt i have about this hobby and feel it shouldn't be treated like other hobbies where you can simply discard them and move on(unless you rehome appropriately ) . Obviously not referring to you but just in general . I was guilty of this in my past .
U bought a 55g w/ Pacus and Oscars at a yard sale??? How is that possible? lolThis 55 gallon tank with eight fish was already an out grew tank when my husband picked it up at a yard sale.
That's one of the ultimate outgrows! I remember that one. 55 gal of tank with 30 gal of water and 20 gal of living, breathing (barely) flesh.
Okey-dockey then
IMHO, the scenario Cu describes is the common one, the convention. That is what is called a rule by definition = the majority of occurrences.
IMHO, the scenarios you have alluded to are rare, unconventional. This is what's called an exception by definition.
When the exceptions are being called into attention to show that the phenomenon does not occur in 100% of cases but rather in 99%, 90%, 75%, or 51% of cases, this in the essence does not refute the rule but says the rule is only say 90% prevalent. Hence, in turn, the very existence of the rule is brought into light.
Of course, all this logic hinges on my opinion that your alternative scenarios represent a small-to-insignificant % of the people calling their tanks a growout.
This is the weak point because it is a supposition and I've not statistics. And herein lies your chance to refute my logic.
That make a lot of sense now, ok. I gotcha. As far as exceptions to the rule, I think there might also be a rule of exception
For example, I DO NOT have a big enough tank for ALL my fish currently, but I DO have more than enough tanks TOTAL to house everything should things get out of control, however this is far from what I want in the long run, so I have been Monster-tank shopping since the day I set up my 1st tank back in November. All technicalities, but "technically", all 20+ of my tanks with water and the other 20-30 empty ones are ALL "Grow-outs" as far as I am concerned.
Thoughts?
I'm just playing devils advocate here. There a lot of worse things people could be doing besides keeping fish. Unless you are settled in your life, it may be impossible to keep a fish for life. What about all the youngsters on here who still have college and careers involving relocating ahead of them? What about the adults who suddenly have catatrophic death in the family where fish keeping is no longer a possibility and keeping their home is probably just a pipe dream?
Believe me, I am not an advocate of overcrowding. But stuff happens. I consider myself well-intentioned, but my poor fish are still stuck in the 300 gallon tank, even though their big tank has been has been available to set up for four years. Deaths, illnesses, multiple surgeries and major problems with the backgrounds is my excuse for why the fish are not in the big tank. I never had an grow out tank, just out grew tanks.
All of us well-intentioned people will have some excuse for why our fish are still in overcrowded conditions.
Believe me, I am not an advocate of overcrowding. But stuff happens. I consider myself well-intentioned, but my poor fish are still stuck in the 300 gallon tank, even though their big tank has been has been available to set up for four years. Deaths, illnesses, multiple surgeries and major problems with the backgrounds is my excuse for why the fish are not in the big tank. I never had an grow out tank, just out grew tanks.
All of us well-intentioned people will have some excuse for why our fish are still in overcrowded conditions.
Yea I can't argue with that but that's more the exception is my opinion. There's always legitimate reasons when it comes to family emergencies and that kind of stuff. I was the teenage kid that had fish and just unloaded them on someome when I decided I had other places to go and things to do. But that's my fault and I don't consider it an excuse. If we're comparing to other terrible things happening in the world than yes fish keeping negligence is pretty low on the scale lol.
I guess I've helped to derail this thread a little. I do understand where the OP is coming from. There are lots of these threads "My new redtail catfish"...where the intent is to just grow them out and they already have a place for them to go, or they will be upgrading. A few years ago albino pacus were the new "in" thing, and many MFK members bought albino pacu--members who would not consider getting a red belly pacu, even though the albinos get just as large. There have been zero updates on all those albino pacu threads. 
They all should have known better and probably just got caught up in the fad, to the detriment of the fish. We are all going to be divided when it comes to fish keeping practices. Some of us love JDM tanks, while some of us hate them. When it comes to fish keeping we are all going to have to agree that it it OK to disagree.
They all should have known better and probably just got caught up in the fad, to the detriment of the fish. We are all going to be divided when it comes to fish keeping practices. Some of us love JDM tanks, while some of us hate them. When it comes to fish keeping we are all going to have to agree that it it OK to disagree.
You can call them whatever you want. I've no problem with you calling them growouts. I suspect Cu would, according to his stance.
I don't see readily see much of a reason to place an adjective in front of "tank(s)". But since you do, it implies that you intend to get your fish, currently residing in that growout tank, into larger quarters, let these quarters be already set up and waiting or let it be a conjured up plan in thin air or anything in between. Is all, imho. It's a word describing your intention.
Words of wisdom for all of us to hang onto. Love for fish is what brings us here and is a default. Not enough love (tact, consideration, desire to understand, etc.) towards a fish keeper often ensues and is what turns us off.
