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skjl47 said:
I am male so cannot say if the biological urge to have children is stronger in females. I know it can be dealt with from my own experience.
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I don't know.. If you're still kicking in 25 years when I'm 50 or so I'll let you know. :P

Warborg said:
Kids are not for everyone...I applaud those that admit it. Better then to have kids and not want them.
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I don't believe I'm ready to be a parent. I'm good with kids but I know I'm not ready for the full time commitment, when I feel like I'm ready I'll have a whole bunch of people (adoption agency) making sure that I am before I potentially ruin some poor child's life because I thought I was ready lol
 
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If you are capable of being a good pet keeper you're probably capable of being a good parent.

And if adoption agencies were in charge of all children almost nobody would be allowed to get pregnant.

We live in a society where we don't have to depend on children to care for us in our dotage. This has rarely been so throughout human history and folks were always Reliant upon their progeny for support after a certain age or when debility set in.

In fact we don't have to rely on any specific other people very much at all in our day-to-day lives. The system meets our needs.

I have been divorced in '88, and my wonderful wife of 30 years has no children of her own. She taught kindergarten 33 years, and claimed that she never wanted them.

Some years after we married her mind had changed, and she wanted children. I had a vasectomy in 1984 and could not have them. We could not adopt and at the same time lose her income and maintain our lives.

In the time since then, my children and grandchildren have become increasingly important to her, becoming even as her own children.

It's very comforting to me to know that when I am gone that they will help to look after her. It is in fact, because of her example, that my two daughters graduated with high honors in education.

This was never my plan for life. For one thing there were supposed to be more boys involved. I was the first boy born on my mother's side of the family in 75 years. I have one sister, and I have two daughters and seven granddaughters. I have two aunts still living. No uncles. There are several cousins I have no track of.

Somehow I became the patriarch in a family of girls, and like I said that was never the plan for my life. Somehow I am having a wonderful time of it just the same.
 
skjl47 said:
Hello; Well I am old and also childless. I can tell this from experience. That being you do not miss the children you never had. I will expand this with a wild guess to include that even folks who have a child or two do not miss the additional children they could have had but did not.

I do get to observe some in my family and a next door neighbor who is slightly older than me. While some of you may have very nice and worthy children I see more examples of the other kind. My neighbors kids and grand kids were around all the time when he could do for them but now are rarely seen as he is sick and has no extra cash nor a vehicle to loan out. One grandson even lived in his house with two different wives and children for well over six years rent free and the use of a vehicle when one of his went down. He hardly ever comes around now and my neighbors Jeep Cherokee still has the body damage from the last time the grandson was driving it.

Back in the 1970's there was a plan called zero population growth. (ZPG) That was the idea that each adult only have one child during their life so the total world population of humans would stabilize and the exponential population growth. That would mean a couple could have two children just as you had. But alas too few adopted the idea and the world population of humans has continued on it's exponential growth. Not sure what the estimated population is now but feel pretty sure it is nine billion or more.

The clear and logical problem results when the population exceeds the carrying capacity of the land. For humans with our clever development of technology we have been able to expand from a limit imposed by our local land area and can get foods and other vital resources from great distances. There are already many problems with our industrial food production but I will limit my examples to two.
One is as the human population expands there is a need for a place for all the new people to live, shop, work, play and such. I kept track of this back in the 80's and 90's but am not sure of the numbers today. The gist being that farmland is being turned into malls, housing developments, highway road beds and other such things. It use to be thousands of acres a year and from my observation I still see such development going on.

Another example is the loss of topsoil. The example I used in my classes is that it can take as much as 500 years for an inch of topsoil to be formed by natural processes. We had the natural gift from the past of places with topsoil measured in many feet. However over the decades the small farms that could be farmed logically using soil conversation techniques have been turning into mega farms running mega sized farm equipment. Where a small farmer could contour plow his land and have wind breaks, now the big machines don't do that so well. The land is not conserved at a sustainable rate. We are losing topsoil at the rate of half an inch or more in many places.
Do the math if it takes 500 years for nature to make an inch of topsoil and we are losing half an inch a year, then ……..?

Other examples can be had but I tire of using my energy to no point. It became clear to me back in the 1970's there was to be little chance that folks would be sensible about the human population problems. I decided to be childless. Not so much in the faint hope my choice would make a difference (it has not by the way) but more because of fear about the sort of world the children would have to live in. I am almost 72 now and was 25 when I had a vasectomy. By now if I had children back in 1975 they could have children and those could have children and maybe even some of those would almost be of age to have children.

For those who do not buy into my into my particular point of view, then at the very least the children and potential grandchildren I did not have are not competing for resources with your own. I was pretty sure the world was to become a difficult place to live in as it has become. I will confess it has taken much longer than my guestimate back 45 years ago.

My brother has two children and four grand children. I was watching the NCAA basketball with him the other day. He is ten years younger than I and we were discussing my decline with age. Out of the blue he said he was not worried so much about me but was for his four grandkids. I got it. He never accepted my world view over the decades but now sees the point I was getting at. I did not have anything promising to tell him. I do not know how bad it will get just that it is bound to get worse.

I think adopting in a fine idea. That was my choice when my second wife wanted children but it did not happen. She is remarried and had a biological child of her own even after hearing my spiel for a few years. I get that most do not care for my world view. I had hoped I was to be very mistaken a couple of decades ago but now have lived to see that my fears are currently playing out.
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Sadly people usually don't think of their children's happiness when they have them, at least not realistically, instead they think about their own happiness.

Studies show children don't bring happiness into relationships, if you were unhappy before you'll be unhappy after.

Most humans lack self control to not have children, I think part of it is that many people don't realize we're living in a very rare multigenerational "peace period" in which they don't fully comprehend the depths of war, the horrors of disease, or the the grips of famine and drought , and sadly this may not be their problem but instead their children's and grandchildrens, the industrial and green revolution has allowed the population to grow well beyond normal levels, so when (not if!) these developments break down it's not going to be just a few hundred people in a area competing for a resource, it's going to be billions, and no ones going to have any mercy after missing a few meals, the police aren't going to help if you call, chances are they are fighting with everyone else for resources.
Hospitals would be abandoned, no supplies would reach them or go to grocery stores.
Basically only locally produced items or items already occurring in your area would be availible.

In short, people can police themselves, but they won't ,that idea is hated by many, the urge for children far outweighs rational thought, so the population will be controlled the hard way.
 
krichardson said:
Wow,I have never heard of such an affliction.What about internally,can you drink it at all?
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Only effects hair pores, I can drink as much as I want (runs in family on dads side).

If I couldn't drink it I probably wouldn't of lasted long
 
Deadliestviper7 said:
Only effects hair pores, I can drink as much as I want (runs in family on dads side).

If I couldn't drink it I probably wouldn't of lasted long
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Right,I figured something would have had to be added to it in order for you to be able to ingest it.Mind boggling that a person can be allergic to one of the most important substances for the human body.
 
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Some California homes and apartments now have "no cooking clauses" forbidding the residents to cook food!

Reason 1 billion not to live in commielandistan
 
Deadliestviper7 said:
Some California homes and apartments now have "no cooking clauses" forbidding the residents to cook food!

Reason 1 billion not to live in commielandistan
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That's outrageous......what next,no eating at all?
 
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